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    Talking Per-Spec mag 16x7 group buy idea!

    HELLO . I just got off the phone with vtoperformance.com from the latest
    "Reproduction Libre style wheels" thread and lined up a option to make
    Per-Spec mags, also known as Performance Specialties as seen in the
    "Who has a set of these" thread, in a 16x7 size!
    You can find it by using search keywords Per-Spec.
    Now we can either do the normal style or the deep dish slant lip style as
    seen in member Fun_N_My_Z's link in that last thread.
    The price quoted was for a run of 100 wheels or 25 sets for $8,000. So thats
    $320 a set or $80 per wheel. I can supply one of my Per-Spec mags for the mold and
    it will be made to scale just in 16 inch size not 14.
    Off set will be zero and the cool thing is the inside diameter can be upto
    15 3/4 inches and I just confirmed with Arizona Z Car it will clear thier
    6 piston 12.5 inch Wilwood Big Brake disc calipers!
    Those only need 14.5 inches of clearance!
    They will be a single piece aluminum cast wheel.
    Here some file pics of the Per-Spec rims and the last pic is the
    Deep Dish Slant Lip version of Fun_N_My_Z's.
    Duplicates are bigger copies and more info in post #2.
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    My red Z, Ruby above, was running Goodyear Wingfoot 215/60/R14 in
    front and ugly 225/70/14 when pic was taking.
    Now running 215/60/14 on all corners currently FYI.
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    Since they all have to be one color, for the sake of arguement lets go with a
    Polished Lip aka Silver finish and we can all then paint and powder coat to our own taste.
    Center hole size will remain stock diameter of 3.25 inches to still use vintage center caps and
    knock off spinners.
    Ok i think covers everything and we need 25 interested members or as close as possible to
    keep our individual cost down.

    If intereted please post you name here and quantity here and I'll keep
    it an updated list and current info.

    Suggestions or ideas are always welcomed. If i forgot anything let me know and you can always
    reach me at my parts store number in my sig for discussion if need be if i'm not here.
    I'll go first, I put myself down for 1 SET !
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    I know you always liked that mag style - good luck in getting the group buy going! As you know, the "Per-Specs" were the "dealer install" mags on my car when I bought it in '72...
    HLS30-89526 6/72 original owner

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goose52 View Post
    I know you always liked that mag style - good luck in getting the group buy going! As you know, the "Per-Specs" were the "dealer install" mags on my car when I bought it in '72...
    HAHA, Damn RIGHT! and thanks for the support. Taking this idea to the Hybrid guys in the morning, not too sure how they'll vote though, but theres a big enough mix of folk. Been trying to find the elusive 15's for years. Only ones seen were Fun N Z's and the new owner of that car wouldn't sell the wheels. But now the best of both worlds, old school looks and big brakes. Getting these 16's powder coated in Gloss Black
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    Check before you post on HybridZ. Their Group Buy rules prohibit offering any product that does not yet exist or is ready for shipment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arne View Post
    Check before you post on HybridZ. Their Group Buy rules prohibit offering any product that does not yet exist or is ready for shipment.
    Yeah thanks, I already planed on contacting the adminstrators first to see where to post it. First I sold so many Ansa's they banned me from the parts for sale section and classified me as a Vendor. Then when i posted recently in the Vendors section i was wrote up for 'circumnavigating the rules to post personal items'. Granted it was a NOS Datsun watch and a NOS C110 speedo which reads in mph, but both were in the same listing so I see thier point now.

    Edit` ` ` Moederator BRAAP at HybridZ was just PM'd.
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    Added / edited more information in post number 1 and also
    to let you all know the center hole will be 3.25 inches.
    And the rims will be 3 piece rims unless their are
    any real big differences in regards to being a 2 piece.
    If so let me know ~Z~
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    Wow, Thats the set that was on my '72... I never really cared for their look on the car I thought they looked kinda small. I removed them and put on the stock steel wheels and hubcaps, they are now in a nice dry spot in the basement...

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    No offense, but I also have a set of 14's on my car and I'm not a big fan of them. I'll be swapping them out at some point in the future-maybe when I wear the existing rubber out.

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    Cool

    Just got off the phone with vto and confirmed the wheel will be a
    "single cast aluminum" piece and comes with Lugs and choice center caps.
    Though I can design my own center cap disign which I just may do

    Taking a rim off Ruby Z to read any details or specs on the back.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pleiner87 View Post
    Wow, Thats the set that was on my '72... I never really cared for their look on the car I thought they looked kinda small. I removed them and put on the stock steel wheels and hubcaps, they are now in a nice dry spot in the basement...

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    That looks freakin Awesome !
    Will load up my new rim pics tommorow.
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    I'm not trying to be disrespectful but what's so great about those wheels? I had them on a 510 basically because they were cheap. They looked okay but I wouldn't go out of my way to have a set 30 years later. Now if I could get someone to make some 18" American Racing 200S in the correct offset for my GTO for a reasonable price.........
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    Oh it's ok some people swear up and down on Panasports but I can't get with'em especially when I see Watanabes. I like the P/S cause it's really a cool looking period 70's design in my taste, more so with raised white letter tires. Another Z owner in town, recently discovered, has a gold 240z with these same rims but HIGHLY polished silver and push on caps. Very nice choice. Not that have nothing against 5 slot wheels either but for me it depends on the car color, stance and tire choice. Now if these were already big enough for the Wilwood kit i'd be content, and imagine these in Gloss Black if you would with a nice set of spinners. Pic of those 200s wheels Blake?
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    I don't care for Panasports or Wats either. So many people have them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sblake01 View Post
    Now if I could get someone to make some 18" American Racing 200S in the correct offset for my GTO for a reasonable price.........
    Not sure what the correct offset for a GTO is, but American Racing does sell reproductions of the 200S. They show up to 17" on their website, but it also shows a special order form, so you may be able to contact them and see if they have the size and offset you need.

    http://www.americanracing.com/browse_vintage.asp

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    I've already contacted them. They don't make what I'm looking for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WingZr0 View Post
    Just got off the phone with vto and confirmed the wheel will be a
    "single cast aluminum" piece and comes with Lugs and choice center caps.
    Though I can design my own center cap disign which I just may do

    Taking a rim off Ruby Z to read any details or specs on the back.



    That looks freakin Awesome !
    Will load up my new rim pics tommorow.
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    What the Primer or the Wheels..., I think it was the size of the tires on the wheels (fairly skinny). I like the 5 slots (kinda done to death though on Z's) like the Shelby Cal 500's, I'd love to find a set of American Racing Libre's (woah!)
    --Then again I always was a fan of The Dukes of Hazzard... what do you think.. "The General Zee". I have this one I need 3 more...
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    And here it is now next to my dads blue 260 with the Shelby Cal 500's...
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    your crazy P, the primer OFcourse ! My mechanic had 3 of those Shelby 500's on his Z fore he sold it. Someone stole the 4th wheel out his dads shop in Freseno, CA. They are slightly different than the AR Vector wheels on the General Lee. General Zee for sure . I have a spare unmarked Vector and laid it next to the Shelby's before that Z was sold and you can see they differ. Go to Zparts.com, a shop in Oregon or Washington state, they have 3 of those Vetors for you
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    By the way, what is it with these unmarked wheels? Jacked up Ruby and took off a Per-Spec and there was nothing on it. Not even the rim size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WingZr0 View Post
    By the way, what is it with these unmarked wheels? Jacked up Ruby and took off a Per-Spec and there was nothing on it. Not even the rim size.
    Not at all unusual for US-made mags in the early '70s. Some big name companies would cast their name in the back (American Racing, Shelby, US Mag, etc.), but the smaller companies almost never did. And there were no requirements for size, specs or any of those kind of markings in the USA back then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WingZr0 View Post
    By the way, what is it with these unmarked wheels? Jacked up Ruby and took off a Per-Spec and there was nothing on it. Not even the rim size.
    My P/S mags from '72 were marked as shown in the photo...
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    It's probably worth mentioning here that - like many of these wheel styles back in those days - this style was made by more than one company. Same with Libres, turbines, slots, etc. As evidence, we've seen this style with different lip shapes, and both screw-on and push-in caps.

    So the fact that yours have no casting marks in the back while Goose's actually say 'P/S' tells me that yours are P/S clones.

    FWIW...
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    GOOSE- where was your markings stamped at? ARNE- don't doubt that is true at all, that said I don't see a design difference compared to the othere rims. Is there one i'm not seeing? IF not i'll use mine for the mold, if there is a difference i'll find a genuin PS when the time comes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WingZr0 View Post
    GOOSE- where was your markings stamped at?
    On the back side on the main wheel section (not on the spokes or the center seating surface or on the lip). I just checked and I only have that cropped photo - not the uncropped original. And, those mags were sold so I can't go look. I've attached the "for sale" photo that shows all 4 of the mags and the center caps FWIW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goose52 View Post
    On the back side on the main wheel section (not on the spokes or the center seating surface or on the lip). I just checked and I only have that cropped photo - not the uncropped original. And, those mags were sold so I can't go look. I've attached the "for sale" photo that shows all 4 of the mags and the center caps FWIW.
    Mine is on the backside of a spoke... "P-S" stamped, but no rim size???
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    That group photo is nice Goose, look like shiny little ninja stars . I would bought those then but was busy buying other little stuff at the time, like house rent ! And P those Vectors at Zparts are the American Racing ones if thats what you mean. Will take my wheel off and have a look again just in case. Thanks guys
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    Found some marks! After looking really really close and with a flash light I saw something very faint. Turns out I was looking for embossed markings when they are actually engraved. After cleaning off all the dirt In the same 12 o`clock place as Pleiners it reads "D11 4". Then in the 3 and 6 o'clock positions but on the inner rim wall are tool marks that are 3 slashes like this "\\\". One set of slashes at each spot. Thats all that i found. The thread towers were made in Taiwan btw. Will post pics Monday.
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    OK, I;m placing a $1,000 REWARD on this rim
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    NOT this rim
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    but THIS RIM RIGHT HERE
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    See the difference? I need the one with the Slant lip or Deep Dish Lip. What kind of lip is this called btw?
    The rim for as a heard is an American Racing wheel model called GT MAG according to on old brochure the was read to me.
    I really would like to have this rim please and can't find it anywhere but on the car Fun_In_My_Z sold
    Anyone with any leads please call me Day or Night at 530-701-1244

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    Still looking . I'm trying NOT to get laughed at
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