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    Found this and thought you guys might like to see it and read a little about it. 370z doesn't sound right to me,



    http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=6753
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    Looks alright.....But I agree that "370" doesn't roll off the tongue so well as its predecessors. Then again, nor did 260. No offense intended towards 260 owners.

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    I like the improvements to the doors... very nice. 350 HP, not bad for 3k lbs...
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    Might offend someone, but every since they changed from the 300zx, nissan ruin the looks of the car. This 370 is no exception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRtom View Post
    Might offend someone, but every since they changed from the 300zx, nissan ruin the looks of the car. This 370 is no exception.
    Might offend even more people but I agree except I'd say ever since they changed from the S30 to the S130............
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    Maybe you guys would like it better if it looked more retro:







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    The 370? Looks like an aftermarket body kit on a 350Z to me...

    At least Mr. Camouflage posted a car that looks related to a 240Z...

    If Mr. Ks son came out looking more like Stefan Jacoby, I would question his lineage, and that is really my problem with the current Z...
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    [QUOTE=Mr Camouflage;254062]Maybe you guys would like it better if it looked more retro:



    Now that's what a new Z SHOULD look like!
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    What exactly are those pictures suppose to be? Is it an S30 with a massive overhaul? The lines from its profile are identical to a Z; Which leads me to belive it is not a serious concept vehicle.

    If only.

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    I've seen that before. IIRC, It was done by a Sweedish graphics arts designer/modler. (Correct me is I'm wrong, Mr. C.) So, no, it's not a real concept car. (Too bad!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by hls30.com View Post
    The 370? Looks like an aftermarket body kit on a 350Z to me...

    At least Mr. Camouflage posted a car that looks related to a 240Z...

    If Mr. Ks son came out looking more like Stefan Jacoby, I would question his lineage, and that is really my problem with the current Z...
    In my opinion: Is the 350Z a great car? Yes. Fast? yes. great handling? Sure. Ugly? AbZobuttuglutely!
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    It does just look like a cheap body kit. They should have made it a 380Z. That sounds a little better, but dang those looks are terrible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Camouflage View Post
    Maybe you guys would like it better if it looked more retro:








    Thats definitely how the new 370z should have looked.

    I'm pretty disappointed with the new 370z, sure the power to weight ratio is a lot better now. But I was hoping they'd make the car at the most 2800 pounds.
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    I'll have to clarify; "370" and "260" do not sound as good as "240" or "280". It's all in how it sounds, not looks, drives, etc.

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    From the A pillar back it's starting to look more like a 911 in that photo.
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    I can't say I like the headlights, or the "fangs" in the grill, but 3000lbs and 350HP say alot more to me. Unfortunately, price increases mean it's close to entering M coupe/135i/Cayman S territory which may be a tough nut to crack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hls30.com View Post
    If Mr. Ks son came out looking more like Stefan Jacoby, I would question his lineage, and that is really my problem with the current Z...
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    You have to wonder who was sleeping with the head of the Audi TT design group to be able to steal the blueprints for the 350Z...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Camouflage View Post
    Maybe you guys would like it better if it looked more retro:









    That just might be the sexiest thing I have ever seen in my life...
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    What would have been cool if Nissan had called the 350z the 340z to stick with the culture of the car. Then this new 370z could have been called the 360z, all though that sounds like an Xbox lol.

    VERY nice looking concept car, I like it!

    I think I see a little Lamborghini Miura concept car in the back end


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Camouflage View Post
    Maybe you guys would like it better if it looked more retro:
    Camo!! Right on, man... I love it. Did you model that car or know who did ? Excellent work.

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    I'd rather see the 370z headlight look like this nice and sleek, instead of the arrow head they have in the car already. I love the retro look to a new z that would be awesome, and i would buy it in a heartbeat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xray View Post
    Unfortunately, price increases mean it's close to entering M coupe/135i/Cayman S territory which may be a tough nut to crack.

    Increasing price is what killed the Z in the 90s--let's hope it doesn't happen again.
    Steve, I was thinking along similar lines and I became curious. It seems to me that one of the features Nissan emphasized in their US sales of the Z was the Price to Fun ratio. So I searched for an Inflation Adjustment Calculator and ran a couple numbers to see if that ratio had been changed between 71 and 07 (no real reason for choosing 71).
    http://www.westegg.com/inflation
    $30,000 (2007) = $5676.41 (1971)
    Unfortunately, it seems fairly close (yet so far away)
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    Now that is FREKIN AWESOME ! !
    I'd buy that over any 350Z anyday of the week !

    The only thing that comes as close to that in terms of style is one of the
    newer Lotus Elise cars.
    Also looks a little like a BMW Z3 or Z4 coupe from this view too.


    Quote Originally Posted by hls30.com View Post
    The 370? Looks like an aftermarket body kit on a 350Z to me...

    At least Mr. Camouflage posted a car that looks related to a 240Z...

    If Mr. Ks son came out looking more like Stefan Jacoby, I would question his lineage, and that is really my problem with the current Z...
    In my opinion: Is the 350Z a great car? Yes. Fast? yes. great handling? Sure. Ugly? AbZobuttuglutely!
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    370Z?, a HKS or Blitz turbo on a stock 35 could fix that easy.
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    Camo!! Right on, man... I love it. Did you model that car or know who did ? Excellent work.

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    I say somebody needs to send those pictures into Nissan and tell 'em this is the Z people really want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 76Datsun280z View Post
    I say somebody needs to send those pictures into Nissan and tell 'em this is the Z people really want.
    Agrrreeed !
    OK, everybody sign your name on the piece of paper being passed around

    And also lets talk specs who'd like to see what?
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    I'm not looking for a retro z, ain't gonna happen. Besides, if that 'styling excercise' (that has now been pictured way more than necessary in this thread) was ever built, I doubt that it would be what you'd consider 'affordable' which was one of the selling points of the original car. I had one but that was 1970 and, like they say, 'you can't go back'.
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    Nissans requirement: The 350Z must have economies from shared parts in the vast majority of the parts bins-meaning it must be derivative to the majority of the car line that accompanies it out of the exetuive bored room meetings.
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    The Z has always had a large number of parts from Nissan's common parts bins. What sat the 350Z aside from all previous Z's and ZX's was the fact that the 350-Z shares a platform with another production sedan. Doing so, it is forced to have a very high firewall and thus body line, as well as a rear strut brace that can't be removed when extra storage space is needed.... Very much what AMC did when they cut 8" out of the Javlin and called it an AM-X.

    Nissan Design had a couple of pretty good looking "concepts" for the next generation Z's - but Carlos said they could not afford to design and build a complete new platform for a Z .... So they cut 8" out of the Infiniti G-35... and call it a Nissan 350-Z. Of course the Nissan Dealers got screwed in that deal as they had no 2+2 to offer their customers... Infiniti did of course... ;-)

    What was ironic about the way things turned out - was that many of us in the Z Car Community suggested that Nissan use the existing 240SX chassis - just redesign the body and add a 6 cylinder. There were already lots of aftermarket and performance parts for the 240SX chassis, and it had been race proven over several years of development... But the people running Nissan then, said "NO" the Z has to have it's own platform - it was Nissan's Flagship Vehicle.

    Just to prove that Nissan isn't the only manufacturer capable of screwing up a great idea - Pontiac showed the Soltice Coupe - - only now it is a Targa Top... overweight and far more expensive that the stripped down, clean and affordable fastback version originally conceived. What a shame...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sblake01 View Post
    I'm not looking for a retro z, ain't gonna happen. Besides, if that 'styling excercise' (that has now been pictured way more than necessary in this thread) was ever built, I doubt that it would be what you'd consider 'affordable' which was one of the selling points of the original car. I had one but that was 1970 and, like they say, 'you can't go back'.
    Well Carlos and many other Automotive Executives say that we are going back. Back to the days when a NEW Car has an MSRP of less than $10K, and a new "economy car" has an MSRP of $5K.

    Automobiles from all major manufactures well be produced in China and India... A couple billion people seeking a job, no EPA, no OSHA, no SSI, and no liability to speak of.... It's a wonderful world today IF you are a capitalist.

    Of course our idea of what is "affordable" will also change... When that new car is $10K we still won't be able to afford it... we'll all be unemployed..

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    Carl,
    I couldn't think of the word "Platform"...Sharing some parts is not an issue-all cars have to have nuts, bolts, wheels and engines, but to have all of the major assembly shared-with the vast majority of the balance of the parts interchangeable(even as a group) means all of the cars in that group look alike. One thing I loved about the S30, they don't look too much like anything else except another one(the late model 300ZX too). When you have a "ground breaking sports car worthy of its long racing lineage" that strongly favors a car form another manufacturer, as well as favoring other cars in the same lineup, well, you have genericized it and "allowed the "copywright" on the Z to fade into oblivion. I like having a car that looks only like itself. Used to be a company had to protect itself from copiers, now a company has to protect itself from itself-Goshen has made Nissan into a turn key Kit Car company!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Beck View Post
    Well Carlos and many other Automotive Executives say that we are going back. Back to the days when a NEW Car has an MSRP of less than $10K, and a new "economy car" has an MSRP of $5K.

    Automobiles from all major manufactures well be produced in China and India... A couple billion people seeking a job, no EPA, no OSHA, no SSI, and no liability to speak of.... It's a wonderful world today IF you are a capitalist.

    Of course our idea of what is "affordable" will also change... When that new car is $10K we still won't be able to afford it... we'll all be unemployed..

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    Yeah, but is that really 'going back'? Kind of like the Twilight Zone episode with the airliner that gets lost in time warp or whatever and ends up in pre historic times. They started out in 1961 or so. When they go back in the other direction they end up in 1939 with no hope of doing it again becaue the plane wouldn't be able to withstand it again. And it ends with them circling around the aiport trying to figure out how to eplain themelves and the plane if they do land some 20+ years before they took off. Things seem to fit the times they were designed in or for. The concept of affordibility comes with a much bigger price these days.
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    All I have to say is.........the next generation TOAD! The only why this car would look good, IMO, is in full race trim....but then again, any car in full race trim would look good! So sad!

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    For those wondering the pictures are from a guy that goes by alias of Grid

    He decided to do a "what if" 3D computer model of modern-retro style 240Z (along the lines of the retro Camaro and Mustangs that were built). The pictures are renderings of that computer model.

    more info here:
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    I agree they'll never be another 240Z. I gotta say I love my Nismo 350Z. Here are a couple of pics of one just like mine.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Camouflage View Post
    For those wondering the pictures are from a guy that goes by alias of Grid

    He decided to do a "what if" 3D computer model of modern-retro style 240Z (along the lines of the retro Camaro and Mustangs that were built). The pictures are renderings of that computer model.

    more info here:
    http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthre...4&page=1&pp=15
    Love it. I'd buy one.
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    Not sure if you guys remember or ever saw this one... it was a rendering out of Motortrend before the 350Z came out... That car, I would have bought.

    The second is another, which is ugly. However, if you modify the front of that car with some better headlights, touch up the rear a little, it could be pretty bad!
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    Camo:

    Cool looking car. Being a British car guy also, it picks up some of the lines of a TVR2500, which also was a cool car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hls30.com View Post
    Nissans requirement: The 350Z must have economies from shared parts in the vast majority of the parts bins-meaning it must be derivative to the majority of the car line that accompanies it out of the exetuive bored room meetings.
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    So very true. It is a necessity, to insure the profit margin that is desperately relied on to fund day to day operations of the company and also be seen as profitable by the shareholders. It is a whole new ballgame today with so many different automakers competing for the same piece of pie. From concept to launch, every new model has to pass the scrutiny of first, the corporate boardroom and second the intended markets. The concepts we first see are usually fresh and appealing. They instill desires in a wide cross section of the buying public. These concept vehicles are used as gauges to measure the feasibility of committing the resources needed to bring a new model to fruition. What starts out as a “I’d buy one of those” when seen for the first time, is slowly, methodically whittled down by the entire gammit of decision makers, none of which wants his head on the chopping block for making the decision his superiors in the corporate structure would see as detrimental to the company’s bottom line. In essence, the final product is the result of thousands of compromises, deemed to be a welcome addition to the lineup. What percentage of today’s buying public do we, as classic sports car enthusiasts make? My guess is, not enough to go out on a limb and gamble the farm on. Yesterday is gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sblake01 View Post
    I'm not looking for a retro z, ain't gonna happen. Besides, if that 'styling excercise' (that has now been pictured way more than necessary in this thread) was ever built, I doubt that it would be what you'd consider 'affordable' which was one of the selling points of the original car. I had one but that was 1970 and, like they say, 'you can't go back'.

    I have to agree. Nissan and Japanese car makers never really like to look back. I think that is admirable in a way....Always looking forward.

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    well all pics so far are guess and photoshops, Nissan is being very coy about releasing what it looks like but here is a peak that has been released


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    The 370z looks awesome. I have never been a fan of the 350z at all, and I know that the 370z changes are not very drastic, but it does it for me.
    Also, I like how the 370z is going back to the roots of the 240z. Tons of power (3.7L said to have near 350hp but at least more then the G37 at 330hp) some 200lbs lighter now weighing in just a hair over 3000lbs, and is shorter then the 350z but still has the same interior space.

    This is a Z car that I would love to own, and have only said that for the Z cars from the 70's and 80's. Been a long time, and I am happy for this Z.

    With how successful the GT-R is, and how all of their redesigns are turning out, the 370z is going to be freaking insane I think. Especially if they carry over a lot of the GT-R features. Handle awesome, and even though you only have say 340hp, you perform like you have at least another 100hp under the hood and offer this at a discount compared to the direct competition.



    It is sort of bad news good news though. The 370z base price is supposed to be up in the $30k, though there are rumors out right now that Nissan is in the makes of a new SX vehicle for the smaller, more efficient and cheaper coupe.
    I would think maybe a 170hp 250sx, and a 200hp 250sx. Then there could also be a 180sx 128hp or a 140hp 200sx unless Nissan is going to be revealing or bringing some new 4 bangers state side.
    Yes, don't worry as of yet. The rumors also include it to be RWD!

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    The Nismo 350Z does pretty well against the M3, S2000CR etc.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i8eKvoTQHY
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    Those headlamps are hideous...same as the ridiculous looking Maxima. I thought the silly designs were going to go once Hirshberg retired...all I can say is MEH!
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    http://link.brightcove.com/services/...ctid1557911172

    It's a little off key but it gives you and idea of the history.

    The lights are definatley different but it looks more infinity than Nissan. You know what I mean

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    Headlights are quiet different for sure. My first impression was "different, but not bad." They do look pretty decent, and I hope that they look better in person.

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    ya, not diggin the hockey stick headlights
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    God is that ugly. I really was considering buying a new one just to have as a toy. On top of that, they're charging more for it? This is a perfect example of companies ruining the essence of a car. What starts out as a raw sports car gets fat and expensive and becomes a grand tourer. I looked at an M3 yesterday. You can't touch one for less than $70k...the previous one was about $48k. It's still a hell of a car, just not what it used to be and too expensive for what you get. Even in common cars, the new Civic is bigger than an 80's Accord.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkelly View Post
    God is that ugly. I really was considering buying a new one just to have as a toy. On top of that, they're charging more for it? This is a perfect example of companies ruining the essence of a car. What starts out as a raw sports car gets fat and expensive and becomes a grand tourer. I looked at an M3 yesterday. You can't touch one for less than $70k...the previous one was about $48k. It's still a hell of a car, just not what it used to be and too expensive for what you get. Even in common cars, the new Civic is bigger than an 80's Accord.
    What? Cars getting bigger and heavier as they age? Well, (smacks self in the forehead) I never HEARD of such a thing. SURELY that wouldn't happen (cough, S130) to the (cough cough Z31) beloved Z, now would it???

    Kidding of course.

    That's why the S30, the E30 M3 and most 1st gen sports cars are looked at as the "essence" of the designer's intent before marketing got a hold of it. Then they add bells and whistles to widen the appeal, then more power to offset the weight gain, etc etc.

    I kind of like the flared rear fenders and the S30-esque quarter window, and the engine sounds like it's got a lot of potential too. (just trying to find something positive)
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    I like the car from the B-pillar back....that part of the car looks like a Z. I don't care for the headlights or the front of the car at all, from what I've seen. Way too much like the 350Z.
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    my bro just made a good point. the fact that they moved the "weight" of the car to the back is a step in the right direction.
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    I like the wheels! Looks like the rear fenders have a little more buldge to them than the 350.

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    Six years without a major change or upgrade with constant price increases -is partly the reason the 90+ lost sales... and ended the Z line in America. They need a totally new design...

    That Pontiac Soltice Coupe is looking better and better..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Beck View Post
    Six years without a major change or upgrade with constant price increases -is partly the reason the 90+ lost sales... and ended the Z line in America. They need a totally new design...

    That Pontiac Soltice Coupe is looking better and better..

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    On that same token, a friend of mine offered to let me drive his 350, I sat in it and felt that I was sitting in a truck, due to having to slide the seat all the way back, sitting bolt upright so that I could work the pedals while barely clearing the steering wheel with my knees.
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    I love the whole package of it! I wonder how much it cost?

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    So This (exhibit A):


    Is definatley not this (supposed leaked photo during a presentation) (exhibit B):


    Been doing a little google hunting for more pics and found these.


    http://jalopnik.com/366392/nissan-37...ine-on-the-way

    a supposed engineering mule that was sporting 370Z emblems:

    http://www.drivingenthusiast.net/sec...007/06/21.html

    http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/au...ssan_370z.html

    If I had to guess, I's say the leaked photo, exhibit B, was a styling concept, not an actual car. I'd also guess that there would have been a couple of designs in the running to be the next Z. I'd also guess that the exhibit B design would have been rejected because its too radically different to the current Z.

    So, I guess the next Z will probably be more like exhibit A than B.

    I guess we will have to wait and see.

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    ...forget about the headlights on the leaked pic, I can deal with them. The C pillar stuff on that thing is awful though... Makes it look plain and thought through badly, reminds me of the new GTR's rear section, unsurprisingly... the 350 has curves and sculpting there, the 370 just has a wedge...

    "leaked" photos and fake car magazine renderings are nearly what drove me away from being a spectator to the car manufacturer sport for the last few years...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 76Datsun280z View Post
    Found this and thought you guys might like to see it and read a little about it. 370z doesn't sound right to me,



    http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=6753
    wow! its amazing!
    Thanks for sharing! I think that style have been mastered by Japanese manufacturer. And it looks even better and better . . .

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    As far as I'm concerned, it's just an ugly 350Z. If that's the direction they are going they need to just give it up and quit before they lose their asses. The 350Z was a sweetheart but not the "370Z" Could have at least called it 360Z or 380Z. God, why 370???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darbji280z View Post
    As far as I'm concerned, it's just an ugly 350Z. If that's the direction they are going they need to just give it up and quit before they lose their asses. The 350Z was a sweetheart but not the "370Z" Could have at least called it 360Z or 380Z. God, why 370???
    Probably because it has a 3.7L engine...

    One of the hazards of tying your product's name to a specific technical detail of the product I suppose. When that detail changes, you have the unhappy choice of changing the name, or breaking the linkage.

    From some of the threads here, it appears that in Japan the "Fairlady Z" was (at times) offered with multiple engine choices, from turbocharged fours, to the same six cylinder engine available in the U.S. But elsewhere the model name was always tied to the six cylinder engine. As a result if you bought a 78 Z in the U.S. it was a 280Z, whereas the same basic car sold in Europe was a 260Z.

    Interesting that they are still following the same model after 38 years...
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    Sigh, I am so tired of the wider fatter car models, its not just the Z that is feeling this trend so many others are going that way. Its like they design a car and send it to McDs for a year before they sell it.

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    I am glad this attracts someone enough to spend money on for one reason, Nissan will live on to try again! My opinion is that Nissan knocks one out of the park every third model. They had a serious hit with the S30, another hit(though in an entirely different vein(maybe even the wrong vein) with the Z32), and the latest two line up as the next oopses until there is a serious attempt at an entirely beautiful package.

    When they start making Zs again that don't look like too much like anything but another Z-with out walking too far from the original story-that's when I'll think about trading dollars for a new Z.

    My thought is two stories written in Japanese but thirty years apart will share a great number of words, but probably no meaning-unless the moral is the same. The 350Z was advertised to be the current version of the 240Z...tell me it is all you want-we both know better!
    Hopefully two strikes will get someones attention...but

    If they came up with something similar to the Ariel Atom but with a complete selection of bolt in/on upgrades(everything not in the shared parts bins(body kits) could be aftermarket.) they would have something-they are already building erector set kit cars-just not selling them at less than completely assembled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hls30.com View Post

    When they start making Zs again that don't look like too much like anything but another Z-with out walking too far from the original story-that's when I'll think about trading dollars for a new Z.




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    those headlights are even uglier than before.. well, at least it'll have more power and it will be 200 lbs lighter.

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    It will still be ugly and slow.....
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    here is another concept, a little more modernized than the orange/black one, more of a mix of the S30 and the new GT-R, probably wont see anything like it but nice to see people thinking about it


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    ^ I'd buy it.
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    The grille on that intrigues me, the upright old Z cabin does nothing for the modern styling cues though... It looks like one of those Soviet cars where they've only updated/modernized the face since 1950. The rest of that concept is pure cartoon as far as I'm concerned.

    A few days ago I think Jalopnik or Autoblog published some freeway shots of a near undisguised mock-up, and then quickly took them down :P

    It had the same rear window treatment as everything seemed to say it would, as well as apparently maxima styled front/rear lights. The flares were WAY bigger...

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    well here is a more recent shot of the 370Z
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    From that angle it looks like it has 240z inspired quarter windows, whereas the 350z's quarter windows looked more like 300zx Z32 inspired windows.
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    With a more conventional set of headlights, better looking wheels, and a sharper front bumper end(or the visual effect there of) that would be a nice looking car.
    making the headlight covers look windswept should be a removable decal, and the covers should be tailored to fit the lights.
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    I read yesterday (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1218...ml?mod=djemITP)
    Chrysler is in negotiation with Nissan to have cars built for them. They stated that the chasis and engines would be the same but the cars would be designed differently. Maybe with the Chrysler design team...Viper blood and the Charger, and new Challenger retro designs they would be interested in the retro 240Z. Since Nissan can't get the new designs right...

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    How about these. The green one is supposed to be a 370Z g-nose with a possible V-8?

    http://www.7tune.com/high-performanc...e-possible-v8/

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidLifeCrisiz View Post
    I read yesterday (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1218...ml?mod=djemITP)
    Chrysler is in negotiation with Nissan to have cars built for them. They stated that the chasis and engines would be the same but the cars would be designed differently. Maybe with the Chrysler design team...Viper blood and the Charger, and new Challenger retro designs they would be interested in the retro 240Z. Since Nissan can't get the new designs right...

    Anyone know anyone at Chrysler to send the drawings to??
    ...If any recent Z design is considered fail, by that token the Charger/Challenger got lost on the way to the test... (with, god willing most anything else Chrysler makes nowadays). I'm glad that on reading that article there is no evidence of anyone contemplating a Z that has anything to do with Mopar.

    I prefer the teaming of Nissan with Renault, who at least occasionally stab at innovation, goddammit (and symbiotically, Nissan is probably actually helping Renault make a few of those innovations actually WORK )

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    I definitely like that better than the 350z. They moved the cabin back a bit. Now they need to smooth out that arc on the c-pillar like an Aston Martin or the 240Z. And lose those catfish feelers from the grille. I don't care for the way 370z rolls off the tongue either. 360z sounds crazier, like a spinout car. (destroked) C'mon, punch it out and we'll call it a 380z.
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    After I sit in one I will know, but visually I am less offended than I was with the 350.
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    Its the same car as the 350z. A non car guy walking past wouldnt even know the difference... ITs still an ugly toad
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor Bob View Post
    After I sit in one I will know, but visually I am less offended than I was with the 350.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fun_in_my_z View Post
    Its the same car as the 350z. A non car guy walking past wouldnt even know the difference... ITs still an ugly toad
    Strangely enough, I agree with both of these sentiments. There are improvements, but some parts are worse, too. (The head and tail lights suck, IMO.) It is still not a visually compelling design to me, no excitement.
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    From the side its looks different. If you compare the 350 and 370 side by side, the 370 has a new roofline from the front pillars back, new door shape, side windows are different.

    Looks like they have been listening to us and given the side profile a more S30-ish look. The roof line now seems to extend further to the rear of the car, whereas the 350Z's roofline curved down more after the cabin, giving there rear that toad rear end look.

    The window shape is more S30, the Z33 looked more Z32. The line that used to run across the top of the guards, door and all the wat to the back of the car is gone, and now the line drops down across the door and kicks up at the end of the door forming that S30-esque rear quarter window.

    If the 370Z in the picture wasn't black the differences would be more obvious.. which gives me an idea:
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    It's growing on me. I must say that the side shot made all the difference in the world to me. But then again, I have also learned to like the Z33. Still, I find this new design an improvement, hockey-stick lights and all.
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    The more I see of the 370Z the more I like it. Didn't like the looks of the 350 from its release, and never grew to like it all that much.

    It's hard to tell with the black plastic camouflage on the car but I think the rear quarter window might look more like this:
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    Found the AutoBlog.com gallery.

    Theres a pretty clear picture of what the car looks like. You'll have to guess whats under the black plastic though.

    Gallery link:
    http://www.autoblog.com/photos/nissan-370z-spy-shots/

    Also a Video of the disguised car passing a 350Z on a highway in Arizona:
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    Some official pictures....
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    The headlights are funny, but it's apparent they're emulating the 240's styling much more this time. I like it.
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    I like it more than the 350Z.

    Some knit-picking: Those rear quarter windows are virtually useless. Needs to be less black frame and more window area to see out of. Vertical Door handles again Horizontal handles would have been more Z-ish. Still undecided about the fish-hook headlights.
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    shorter, lighter, more powerful...more design elements from the S30. Much improved I'd say. Still not used to the lights, but if it performs like it should, that's be a small issue to overcome.
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    I'm not a fan of the side profile. I don't care for how it tapers off from the roof of the car down the hatch, and then turns into what appears to be a large rounded back.The view of back of the car is pretty cool looking though.

    I was never a big fan of the direction Nissan went with Z's, so this inevitable design isn't surprsing. I think the aesthetic changes they made to the original S30 body (280zx) were unnecessary and in some cases ugly. When the 300 came out, any remnants of the Z body style were long gone and what was left lacked originality and style (IMO). By the time the 350 was out, the only thing that distinguished it as a Z were the badges. If the names of cars were attributed based on the car itself, and not sales, i'm sure they would have given the latter Z's new model names.

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    Hey, I think those taillights and headlights are interchangable. Just imagine the fun.
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    looks good!I never thought that zcars would looks good as that, I think its just and old stuff.

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    I'm going to lock this thread people, the more current one is:

    http://classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32383
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