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    any one have any cloose as to why my park light fuse blows out immediately upon turing on the light switch on. the front lights our not hook-up period. the
    rear blinkers our hook up and the signals work. the hazard works but if i turn
    on the headlights on the first setting it blows out. there is also no rear side mark
    er lights too. thanks anyone

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    Well, I am no electrical genius, but my first guess would be that perhaps you have the wrong amp fuse in there. The second guess would be that your combination switch (on the stalk) is discombobulated. A third guess would be that there are some crossed wires or bad connections somewhere in the line, but this last one would be a longshot, unless the previous owner really messed things up.
    I am sure that someone with more knowledge will chime in later, but you may wish to search "combination switch" and see what pops up.
    If it is the combo switch, a member here (Dave aka Zs-ondabrain) will be a great resource to you; he rebuilds the little buggers very well.

    edit: you may wish to state which vehicle is giving you problems.
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    your combination switch (on the stalk) is discombobulated
    I like that, sounds painful, but I really like that

    Try unplugging all the lights, lamps, globes sequentially to verify where your fault may be.
    If indeed you combo switch is "discombobulated", the fault may very well still be there with the load disconnected.
    Oh, while you are trouble shooting, replace the fuse with a 12V globe.
    Use a couple of flying leads to hitch it to the fuse contacts.
    That way the globe will glow while the fault condition is present and you won't be trashing a heap of fuses in the meantime
    [The globe will prevent the short from burning any wiring]
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdh417 View Post
    any one have any cloose as to why my park light fuse blows out immediately upon turing on the light switch on. the front lights our not hook-up period. the
    rear blinkers our hook up and the signals work. the hazard works but if i turn
    on the headlights on the first setting it blows out. there is also no rear side mark
    er lights too. thanks anyone
    Corrosion is causing your problem, possibly assisted by wear in your combination switch.

    Solutions: Clean all of the connectors in the circuit and the combination switch. Cleaning the combination switch requires disassembly and cursing as you find all of the little parts that popped out. You'll also need to examine your fusebox for corrosion.

    Try the parking light harness upgrade advertised by Zs-ondabrain at http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=20151. While it won't fix the problems with corrosion, it reduces the impact.

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    juuuust got my car back from ZWHIZZ yesterday for that exact same problem. turned out one of my front TS housings had rust on the connector. cleaned it up and voila!
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    Years ago I had to disconnect my marker lights to keep the parking light fuse from blowing. It seems the marker light bulb holders rot pretty quickly.

    As mentioned above, try disconnecting all the lights and reconnect one at a time while on until you find the bad one. It will fry the fuse when you find it.

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    First off, you said that most of the lights were disconnected, start there....

    Check each of the 2 wires that go to each side marker. If the wires are not connected to a socket, make sure they are not grounding out on the chassis or any other open ground (metal).

    Similar to what was mentioned above, remove all parking lights (front and rear) turn on the parking lights switch (first click), if the fuse still blows, you have a grounded wire somewhere. If the fuse does NOT blow, slowly insert one bulb at a time. If at any point, you insert a bulb and the light and fuse blows, THAT is your problem area.

    The only way that the combo switch could be a problem is if one of the wires are grounding on the switch chassis on the combo switch itself. You should have 15 AMP fuse in the fusebox for the parking lights (3rd fuse down on the right)

    DON'T FORGET that the dash lights are also part of that same circuit and if your dimmer switch (located under the tach area, under the dash) if bad, that could also be a trouble area.

    Parking light wires are green/white in the rear, green/blue in the front and red/blue for the dash lights.


    ALSO, Go to the auto parts store, get a light socket cleaner (cylindrical wire brush, DISCONNECT your batteries (+) post then clean ALL sockets, even the brake light and reverse light sockets. Wire brush the bulbs before you re-instal them, one at a time, as mentioned above, until the fuse blows again.
    Hope that helps a little. And P.S. This holds true and helpful for every S30.

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    The obvious.. Check along the length of the harness for exposed wire. If your rubber grommets are gone it's very easy to have the wires abrade the firewall etc. I had this happening up front where the harness enters the front crossmember.

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    Each harness has a protective vinyl sleeve that protects the harness where it goes thru the radiator support wall. ALSO there should be a bubber grommet around the hole where the harness goes thru the support wall, if it is gone or damaged, cut a length of 3/16" hose and split the hose down the middle, fit it around the diameter of the hole that the harness goes thru. This will keep the harness from shorting out on the metal there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by e_racer1999 View Post
    juuuust got my car back from ZWHIZZ yesterday for that exact same problem. turned out one of my front TS housings had rust on the connector. cleaned it up and voila!

    I'm having the same problem, except mine actually got so hot it started to burn my fuse box. Anyone have any pics of the TS housing so that i can check for corrosion??

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    oops, mine is associated with the stop light and not the park tail light.
    Going to start new thread so i don't jack this one.
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    I have this problem with my series 1 240Z.
    The headlights, brakelights and blinkers work. But not the parking lights (side markers, rear and front, licenseplate) or the gauge lights.
    The fuse blows almoust at once when I put on the parking lights.

    The car is stock, and everything has worked nice until now. In the beginning of this week the car was out from the garage and it was raining really hard. I noticed that water was coming in under the dash on the right side of the car. Found out that the water came in becouse the hose that should stear the water out on the side of the car was not installed
    There was water on the wires under the dash above the kickplate.
    I have not used the car after that.

    Should I start going through those wires or do you think the problem is somewhere else?
    The fusebox looks ok.

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    First. What size fuse is blowing, for the parking lights?
    Second, Fix the drainage hose and dry all the connection.

    It's never a bad idea to pull all the bulbs and clean the sockets and the bulbs to remove as much resistance as possible.
    Might be time to get a PLH (parking light upgrade harness)for your 240Z. Motorsport Auto has them and can take Debit, credit or paypal and easily ship international packages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zs-ondabrain View Post
    First. What size fuse is blowing, for the parking lights?
    Second, Fix the drainage hose and dry all the connection.

    It's never a bad idea to pull all the bulbs and clean the sockets and the bulbs to remove as much resistance as possible.
    Might be time to get a PLH (parking light upgrade harness)for your 240Z. Motorsport Auto has them and can take Debit, credit or paypal and easily ship international packages.

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    Hi Dave,
    It was a 20A fuse, and I tried to replace it three times.
    The draining is fixed, and all the lights was working fine when i put the car in garage. I thought that I let the car dry in the garage, but maybe there is water now in some connections.

    I already have that awesome parking light upgrade harness Just haven't installed it yet. I think I try to fix this problem first before I install it.

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    Get your air hose out and pull the connections, one at a time, blow the hell out of them and dab a little "Di-electric grease" on each and every connection. This will stop corrosion and shorting issues if water is ever a problem again. It also cuts off Oxygen so corrosion doesn't have a chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zs-ondabrain View Post
    Get your air hose out and pull the connections, one at a time, blow the hell out of them and dab a little "Di-electric grease" on each and every connection. This will stop corrosion and shorting issues if water is ever a problem again. It also cuts off Oxygen so corrosion doesn't have a chance.
    Thanks Dave.
    I'll try that. I really hope I can fix this, it's the only thing that has to be done before I'm able to get the car on the road

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    I disconnected all the parking lights, side markers and the licenseplate bulbs. I also disconneted the connections under the dash (they looked dry and ok).

    I found out that if I left the front blinker and parking light on the right side disconnected (not just the bulb but also the connection in front of the radiator) the fuse wouldn't blow. I used now a 10A fuse (even if there should be a 20A fuse I think) and it still worked. I found a wire that went from the blinker/parking light to the headlight. But it was connected only with one wire, so I think that wire could have been the problem, becouse when I disconnected it the 10A fuse was ok (also 20A of course). Maybe it had got wet or something and started to ground? I don't need the parkinglight in the headlights, so it's ok.
    Now all the lights work again, but the fuse (tested with 10A and 20A fuses) gets really hot, the fusebox actually melts around the fuse on the inner side. I think it has done that earlier too, but probably not as much as now.

    Can this problem be fixed with the parking light upgrade harness, or should I continue to search if there is a wire grounding or something?
    I disconnected the right side parking light but the fuse got hot even if it was disconnected.
    I can try to disconnect one bulb at the time, and test if the fuse stays cooler. Is it common that the parkinglight fuse gets hot even if it doesn't blow?
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    You just described every other reason that the PLH was designed and made, and should be installed NOW!!

    That's exactly what the PLH does, stops the overheating fuse and melting fusebox syndrome.

    So install it already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zs-ondabrain View Post
    You just described every other reason that the PLH was designed and made, and should be installed NOW!!

    That's exactly what the PLH does, stops the overheating fuse and melting fusebox syndrome.

    So install it already.
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    Thanks Dave,
    I installed the PLH and now the fuse stays cool. The parkinglights seem to be brighter too
    Installing the harness was really easy, it was totally plug and play. Really nice!!! Thank you for this awesome product!!!

    Only problem I had was getting the new harness to fit inside the plastic cover. When I finally got it in place, I thought that I'll test the parking lights once more now when the cover was in place. I almoust got a heart attack when the lights didn't work. Checked the fuses and everything was ok. Then I used some not that nice words, cursing that plastic cover. Started to think that maybe I had broken something while I installed it. I tested the lights again and I heard the relay click, and now the lights works. Don't know what could be the cause, but now it works

    When I tested if the fuse stays cool, I thought that I'll test the driving lights fuses too. The left sides fuse was cool, but the right was really hot. Starts to sound that there is some kind of a problem in the right headlight (earlier the parking light fuse blew when the right side parking light was connected with the right side headlight). Got to open the headlight and check it.
    There is also a red wire connected with a black wire coming from the switch that goes to the other side of the steering axle, probably to the blinker switch. That wire gets warm too when I turn on the headlights.
    Maybe it's time to order the headlight harness too But first I got to check the headlights wires.

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    The HLH will do the same as the PLH. It'll stop the overheating fuses, warm or hot wires and make the lights brighter.
    Whenever you're ready. Just let me know.

    You're welcome, it's what I do.
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    Also, The red to black, under the column to the T/S switch is your low beam/hi beam control. It'll get warm or hot without the HLH installed, as it is the headlights Negative wire. flipping the hi/lo switch will either give a ground to the low beams or the hi beams.

    Typically, if a hot lead (positive wire) gets hot, the negative will too, as they are the same circuit.

    The HLH will cure this.
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    Ordered the HLH today, now I hope it arrives soon

    While waiting I'll try to find the cause to why the right side headlight fuse gets hot. It doesn't blow, but definitly ain't healthy either.
    I tested first with disconnecting the low-beam wire near the connection in front of the radiator. The right low-beam did'nt work of course and the fuse stayed cool. I then switched the hi-beam on and the fuse started to get hot.

    Then I tested disconnecting the whole connection, and the right side headlight didn't of course work and the fuse stayed cool.

    Didn't have time to test it more today, and I don't know if I understand the problem more than earlier. But becouse the left side work ok, I guess that the problem could be somewhere in the right front corner, or maybe it could be the red wire that goes from the right headlight. Does it go directly to the fusebox?

    I'll continue tomorrow, any suggestion what could be the cause and what I should try to look at?
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    It's all about Resistance. Resistance causes heat. Resistance in your system comes from aging wires, contacts and connectors. The 240Z's wires were too small of a gauge to begin with. Then the Z ended up lasting 40 years. Hi amperage, thru 40 year old wires causes resistance.

    Get it? Thought you would. Now the solution.
    Pull each and every connector in the headlight circuit, clean them and make sure they are tight and making the best connection possible. There are chemicals out there that will eliminate the corrosion and expose a clean metal surface.. Can't remember the name at the moment but I'm sure someone will chime in with the right answer.

    When I say "Each and Every connection" That means, the Headlight connectors at the bulbs, the ones in front of the radiator, inside the passenger side dash area, the fusebox (power in and out) the fuses, the combo switch contacts and connectors.

    The HLH will take your weak signal in front of the radiator and activate the relays, which get their power directly from the battery via a fused 10 gauge power wire, New connectors and terminals. So the only weak spot after installing an HLH is the pigtail harness between the connector at the bulbs and the new harness.

    Hope that helps,
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    I'm guessing Dave is thinking of Caig DeoxITThe D series is probably right for this application. Can't go wrong with this brand of contact cleaner...
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    DeoxIT is good stuff.
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    THAT'S IT!! See, I told you they'd come thru.
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    Thank you guys for helping me. I'll clean all the connectors carefully and check if I can make the situation a little better before the HLH arrives.
    I'm not familiar with DeoxIT, but I'll check if I can find it here.
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    The HLH arrived on Friday and I installed it today. Now the headlights works great without heat in the fusebox Now my car has the three Zs-ondabrain upgrades installed and they have fixed exactly the electrical problems the car had Thank you for the HLH, PLH and the alternator adapter!!!

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    my pleasure Kimi. glad to hear you're happy with the end result.
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