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    Hey fellow Z lovers,

    I was researching Scarabs online and found several postings from this site. I thought you might like to know there is another original factory Scarab out there. I am the second owner and have all the original paperwork. I have a few pictures posted on cardomain.com under the same user name. It is listed as a 1975 280Z (the original donor car). I am trying to find and contact as many Scarab owners as I can. If you are one, know one, or just love old 'Z's reply to my post.

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    So your car is the one that is currently for sale on ebay?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Datsu...spagenameZWDVW

    -Mike

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    The one currently for sale on E-Bay is in California...

    -Carl B.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Beck View Post
    The one currently for sale on E-Bay is in California...

    -Carl B.
    Yes, but the ad for the one on Ebay says it is #153, and it shows a picture of what is supposed to be the scarab ID plate. See attached picture from the ad. Obviously there is a discrepancy somewhere.

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    Hmmm.... the cardomain listing that Larry referred to above also shows a picture of what is supposed to be the Scarab ID plate of #153; however this car is red and the car in the ebay ad is dark blue. Here is the link to the cardomain listing and a picture of the ID plate is shown below.

    http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3128743

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    E-Bay scam perhaps???

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    hey guys,
    I'm back. I posted a question to the #153 seller listed on ebay. I'll let you know what his response is. My original paperwork includes a purchase agreement signed by Brian Morrow, dated 12-18-78.

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    I just found out about the Scarab on ebay after my first post.

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    The plot thickens. One of them must be a fake....right? Why would Scarab produce 2 cars with the same number?

    Does the paper work list engine numbers and chassis numbers, and do they match whats on the car?
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    Here's another Scarab for your research. This ones in the UK: http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C38708
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    The one on e-bay is not a fake!!!

    There are 2 cars numbered #153.

    It was a mistake on Scarab's part

    Blue Scarab 153 build date 2/28/79
    Red Scarab 153 build date 6/1x/79
    White Scarab 154 build date 6/21/79 (mine)

    I'm guessing the time lapse between the blue and red car (4 months) was sufficient time to lose paperwork/not check the proceeding cars Scarab number.

    Again the car is real.

    As the seller states though the engine and transmission have been replaced but are period correct. The radiator and fan are not original Scarab. I believe he does have the original Scarab valve covers (rare!).

    I've tried to take mine back to as original as possible. It still retains the original engine (bow tie block) and angle plug heads. I replaced the radiator with an original NOS Scarab unit that dat240zg found in Texas and sold to me. I've also replaced the springs and struts with Tokico springsand replacing the original struts with adjustable Illuminas.

    I also rebuilt the original FIA calipers using NOS Datsun rebuild kits, one caliper piston was replaced due to damage while taking it apart. I still have one rebuild kit and 3 pistons on the shelf, just in case.

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    IHMO - the only way the seller on E-Bay can prove it is not a fake - is to display the original bill of sale, and other Scarab Documentation that would have come with the car. It is presented as being a 2 owner car - so the documentation should be available if it is not a fake.

    For collector cars - if any question exists - the documentation rules.

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    As usual Carl is dead on. What you believe and what can be proven should always be the same, when in doubt proof prevails. One of the data plates clearly looks stamped, and the other one is clearly rotary etched...the rivets are different between the two as well-I think an examination of a few cars before and after would show similarities between one of the two.
    Most of the Scarab parts on both cars could have come from a genuine wreck, or clearanced inventory. No original paperwork no proof.
    Anyone can dress a "72 240Z as a '70, and change data plates, wipe and redo the firewall stamping-not that the current owner would have done that, but POs have been known to do worse...even altering paperwork...
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    Still waiting to hear what Scarab153 got back from the seller on on ebay in response to his email.
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    Hi everyone, sorry it took so long for me to post again. I am starting a new job and I had to drive to Grand Junction to look for a place to live. It appears that nwa240z is correct. I spoke with the original owner of my Scarab, there was a mix-up at the factory when he picked up the car. The paint job was the wrong color, it matched the original color of the Scarab for sale on ebay. It appears that Brian Morrow was not particularly careful with keeping up with his paperwork. I also received an email from Craig Sparkes with his research showing that there were two Scarab #153 cars built. There were no Scarabs built between the one on ebay and mine. At the time these two were built, Brian Morrow was also trying to build two track cars. Personally, I have been convinced of the authenticity of the Scarab for sale on ebay.

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