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    We all have our different set ups. Now I'm was wondering what everyone uses for security and what does everyone think is reasonable for some of vehicles out there?

    For myself I'm more worried about my car being stolen then broken into so I'm looking at a NRG Quick Release for a steering wheel and at this point I feel that's enough.
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    Locked garage, .357M in the house.
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    Sorry but I don't really like your post. Especially for a first post. What are you really attempting to find out? Security is a private and personal thing. Concern yourself with the value and security of your own vehicle/possesions, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daishi_GD View Post
    We all have our different set ups. Now I'm was wondering what everyone uses for security and what does everyone think is reasonable for some of vehicles out there?
    Live in it.

    I also agree with sblake01.
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    I'm still thinking about this also. A determined, proffessional thief will get your car no matter what you do.

    1st: An alarm system, especially with a flashing indicator will deter some thieves.

    2nd: Any means or preventing the car from running will stop "casual" theives.

    2nd: A means to track you car if stolen by a determined thief.
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    I remove the wire that goes from the thingie to the other thingie. Car won't start no matter what someone tries to do to it. Maybe they could push it, or tow it, but most thieves are on for the get in, start it and go, and anything that takes more than a few minutes to grab, they won't- the longer they **** around with a car, the more likely they are to get caught.

    Broken into and stolen out of? Yeah, I don't keep anything in my cars that I want to keep... You spend your early life living in Los Angeles and certain things always stick with you. You learn those lessons, you keep your stuff and your cars.

    BTW I know what the thingies are really called.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sblake01 View Post
    Sorry but I don't really like your post. Especially for a first post. What are you really attempting to find out? Security is a private and personal thing. Concern yourself with the value and security of your own vehicle/possesions, etc.
    C'mon Stephen, don't be so skeptical......Grow a pair a NOIDS!
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    Not sure I get that. He's in B.C. and I'm in So Cal. It's not about paranoia.....
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    It isn't a matter of growing a pair of "noids", unless you're referring to "hemorhoids"...

    It's a simple lesson you get taught in the military... the first step to maintaining security is YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT IT!

    You don't mention what it DOES, nor what it DOES NOT. You don't talk about what you would like it to do, nor what you wish it would NOT.

    It's simple really, this site is a well known resource for information on the Z's, let's not devolve into being morons who also let people know how to steal them as well nor how to defeat any security measures we may have taken.

    I concur with Stephen, this is a very suspicious first post.

    Nuff said;
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    Not just the military - the same principle is used in IT. The less the hacker knows about your system and security, the harder he has to work to breach it.
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    Sorry to hear what you guys think off the bat so I'll try to explain myself.

    I just bought a 280Z from WA state. Its was in amazing condition and 98% stock and for the right price. Picking it up this Thursday because I'm getting it imported. Bought it to be a daily driver to go from my garage to a underground parking lot.

    I'm asking about Security first because the part of Vancouver I work isn't really the most safe. Also Z's are rare in Vancouver - I've only ever seen 2 in my life.
    So naturally I fear for my car.

    I guess I should have just asked "Is this security measure reasonable for my car even though its completely stock?"
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    E, I have no desire to grow those either.
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    Do a fuel pump cut off and put it somewhere inconspicuous.

    Real black pearl? Nice either way.
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    Matt,

    Welcome to the classic Z club. I didn't notice it was your first post this morning. Good looking a car.

    I would treat your Z as you would any other car but keep in mind the following; it is a rare vehicle. Since you've chosen to make it a daily driver, you accept the risks associated with that type of use; i.e damage from door dings, shopping carts, people placing stuff on it and yes, theft and vandalism.

    In my garage, my Z is as safe as all of my other possessions. When outside, I don't let it out of my sight.
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    Some people use battery cut off switches or you can take the battery out altogether when you get home.
    I saw a comedy program that spoofed "The Club" with an actual club sandwich that no thief could resist. With the mayo in the sandwich and the fact it has been sitting in the sun, the would be thief becomes violently ill and is unable to steal the car! There was also something about a trunk monkey that would come out and beat up anyone breaking into the car. I guess it was funnier when I watched it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbudvet View Post
    There was also something about a trunk monkey that would come out and beat up anyone breaking into the car.
    The "Trunk Monkey Theft Retrieval System", #4 at:

    http://www.trunkmonkeyad.com/
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    Hey Matt - I'm in Victoria . Anyway I can say a good pager alarm - the Viper can also start your car with the iphone app ! Other than that , if you park it outside you're screwed . Good luck and welcome !

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    With your question re-phrased our tone will change remarkedly, as you can see.

    In descending order by my opinion:

    As Unkle mentions, a good pager alarm can provide notificaiton of someone messing with your car. If it's properly connected and hidden it will probably be the best for the casual thief, and to a certain extent even from for the professional with a tow truck. Except that you're S.O.O.L. if you don't respond immediately.

    "The Club" will also provide a measure of security making it harder for the thief to straighten out your front wheels, but it's irrelevant if they use a tow dolly or truck and can jack up the front end.

    A cut off switch, either fuel and battery, as long as well hidden (and discussing WHERE you should hide it is the part of security that should NOT be mentioned publicly) will help you feel better but again... not from the professional with a truck or tow dolly.

    Myself, I would opt for the same style of alarm as James Bond's Lotus in the film "For Your Eyes Only". That way if the thief trips it... the car blows up and takes him with it, except that it's messy and it takes a ton of buffing hide the damage....

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    I'm still holding out for the Trunk Monkey...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arne View Post
    I'm still holding out for the Trunk Monkey...
    It's pretty sweet, I've used it for a while now. The only thing they don't tell you in those ads is that you have to feed the monkey too. I'm already on number five wish someone told me sooner.
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    To add. I too plan to drive my car. As a matter of fact, the Z GI Joe Barbie ad for the 350z is what solidified my decision to buy my 1973 240z, back in 2000? Anyway...

    I have a storage garage, but I'm not all bent on keeping my 240z with less than 65,000 miles forever. Though, I don't pull it out in rain, cause the seals are shot.

    BUT sticking to topic, I thought to use a "club", but know that does little.

    I was going to run up some toggle switch that kills the ignition system...need to know where the switch is to engage the ignition. Having said that, I haven't looked into how to execute this deterrent. Seems like my father an electrician and former gear head could figure this out for me.

    I like the fuel cut off idea as well, and I'm not shy about getting on my back or dust a little dirt off, to save a joy rider from stealing my fun.

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    As I am under a budget for now. I might just stick to unhooking the starter motor or something every time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daishi_GD View Post
    As I am under a budget for now. I might just stick to unhooking the starter motor or something every time.
    I'd recommend just taking the off the distributor rotor and taking that with you instead. It's quick to take off and put on, is hidden under the distributor cap, and I doubt many thieves carry old Z rotors around with them.

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    I worked at an auto auction a couple of summers and found some really creative security "enhancements." For example the starter motor wouldn't engage unless you flipped the left turn signal on etc. Then again there were some real dogs that went through the auction so it might have just been faulty wiring
    The pager and 357 sound like the best bets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daishi_GD View Post
    Sorry to hear what you guys think off the bat so I'll try to explain myself.

    I just bought a 280Z from WA state. Its was in amazing condition and 98% stock and for the right price. Picking it up this Thursday because I'm getting it imported. Bought it to be a daily driver to go from my garage to a underground parking lot.

    I'm asking about Security first because the part of Vancouver I work isn't really the most safe. Also Z's are rare in Vancouver - I've only ever seen 2 in my life.
    So naturally I fear for my car.

    I guess I should have just asked "Is this security measure reasonable for my car even though its completely stock?"
    did you buy this car from whidbey island?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike B View Post
    I'd recommend just taking the off the distributor rotor and taking that with you instead. It's quick to take off and put on, is hidden under the distributor cap, and I doubt many thieves carry old Z rotors around with them.

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    coil wire. goes anywhere with you!
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    I've done it. That is, remove the rotor when I had cars that had rotors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prilofx View Post
    coil wire. goes anywhere with you!
    Much easier to see and replace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sblake01 View Post
    I've done it. That is, remove the rotor when I had cars that had rotors.
    Of course, the problem you get with that is the wife asking, "Is that a rotor in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?"

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    I'll just say this, sbblake- in a previous life where I was not so much of an upstanding citizen, I never knew any of my buddies to carry around a spare wire when they went out to "borrow" other people's cars- nor would any of them have been willing to look under the hood to figure out why one wouldn't start, and perhaps two of them would have been able to identify, immediately, that the wire was missing and that it had anything to do with the car starting or not. None of them would have run off to the nearest Pep Boys to buy a new wire, run back to the car and install it and then steal it. You get in the car, you punch the ignition, you go. If the "go" part doesn't happen, you don't stick around to figure out why - you head down the street looking for the next easy target. The car thief's enemy is time, not the police.

    So, while it may be "much easier to see and replace" for those of us who know how to get around an engine, the average car thief doesn't generally have that knowledge and you can take advantage of it. They don't work on them. They just steal them.

    I use the same method to keep my friends from driving drunk- no begging or cajoling or bargaining needed. Just "aw, look at that, bro... your car won't start. Too dark for me to look at it. Better call a cab".
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    Quote Originally Posted by inmocean View Post
    did you buy this car from whidbey island?
    I bought it from someone in Coupeville.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daishi_GD View Post
    I bought it from someone in Coupeville.
    a couple weeks back the wife and i saw your new car with a for sale sign so we stopped to check it out...the two 78's on highway 525 got a lot of looks. looking through the driver-side hood vent i could see a disconnected vacuum hose, FYI...
    best of luck, hope it treats you well.

    sorry for the thread-jacking folks, to make up for it, my slant on car security:

    I leave my doors unlocked. I would much rather replace a stereo than a stereo and a window...
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    I don't lock my doors either. Locked doors = vandalism and stolen articles, as opposed to just stolen articles (as stated above).

    I'm not going to let everyone on a public forum every technique I have used to keep stereo thieves at bay in cars with systems, but I will tell you that not having one is the best bet.

    If you want real tunes in your car that aren't coming from a factory AM radio, you might consider buying a preamped equalizer to put somewhere out of the way in the back (toolbox behind the seat, maybe?) and run a left/right RCA to input jack adapter wire under the carpet up to a jack under the dash or maybe in the center console to plug your MP3 player into.

    Most MP3 players have an FM radio in them and allow you to control music, channel and volume changes on the fly. If you want AM, you still have the option via the original, untouched setup.

    Preamped equalizers can be connected to a 12V setup, draw next to no energy unlike an in dash CD/ MP3 player that are made for 13.5-14V systems these days and even better, nobody wants to steal them because they are dirt cheap.

    This way you take the expensive part (the mp3 player) with you and give nobody any reason to loot your car.

    As far as car theft goes, a fuel pump shutoff works better than an ignition kill, because most car thieves who know what they are doing, know how to bypass the entire ignition circuit to get the car rolling. You can trick electrical circuitry, but even with gimicks like switches and hard wiring your turn signal for the starter, all of them have a red flag, and that is the wiring running to them.

    Wiring modifications, unless done tastefully and wrapped as factory are easy to detect by taking a peek under the dash with a flashlight with the door open.

    Viper pagers suck. They do what they advertise, but in my opinion, loud car alarms are not a theft deterrent. If a loud truck goes by and sets your alarm off, it alerts you at work/home/wherever and you go to check things out. Eventually, just like a cheesy radar detector, you start to ignore it and it becomes the boy who cried wolf.

    Everybody knows not to pay attention to audio alarm systems. They wake us up when the overzealous fart tube on the honda civic trips the Escalade in the apartment complex parking lot nearby and they eat car batteries for dinner, especially on older charging systems.

    New automotive electronics do not fair well in original, unmodified or poorly modified wiring harnesses.

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    There are many security things that you can add, as mentioned by others. It all depends on how much time and money you have as well as how bad the place is or how paranoid you get lol. You can unhook the rotor (mentioned), take the coil wire (mentioned) you can unhook your gas pedal from the accelerator rod by unsnapping in either from the inside or the engine bay. You can get a club for the steering wheel or a club that goes on the "brake pedal" for automatics and on the "clutch pedal" for manual transmission. It manual, put it in gear and club the clutch the only way to take it is to cut the pedal and the club or to tow it by the back wheels. Back up against a wall and your set. You can have an alarm (hook it up to the horn and crank that sucker), "low jack", you can have the pager thing, you can have a kill switch for the fuel or the battery. Hell you can carry an air pump with you and let air out of the tires everytime... ok im getting a little carried away but seriously if they want your car they will take it because unfortunately locks only keep the honest people out.

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    This is what I do I wirer in a shutoff circuit So the car does not run, but the clock and other stuff does. on a 280z I think you can do this to the computer. Now their are a lot of different switches that can be used but let me tell you the problem with most systems.

    I work a lot in bad neighborhoods in NJ so I've seen how they bypass most factory and aftermarket systems. First most people mount them the same way you will hear one blurp from the siren and then your car is done for. on factory systems the just punch the battery then put a new one in and they are off. The after market ones actualy can make your car a target, because they can sell the system (not good).

    Since the Z is a rarer car they are less likely to sell it for parts (easier to track in part resale), so a alarm isn't going to help in my view, just give them a reason to steel the car or break in to steel the system. The biggest problem would be the joy rider.

    THis is why a cutoff switch works well no alarm, cheap and effective. You can buy these special plugs that disconnect the wires and acts like a key. What I like are the magnetic key-fob readers, because they can be behind something so they are not visual.

    Things to think about is location. You want a place that is easy to reach and not obvious what you are doing, and that can not be seen by people looking at your car.

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    I agree with Steve! Your first post on this forum sounds a bit like, "How can I steal all your cars?" Even if you're an honest person, which you probably are, any thief can search this forum for "security" and find out how to steal our cars. Security systems are something I don't even discuss in private with trusted friends -- because they tell trusted friends, who tell friends, and so on, and so on...

    That said, I think the best deterrent I've seen is commercially available. It's a device that fogs the interior with smoke and mace, and sets off strobes and sirens when triggered. I'd hate to have the thing false-trigger, though!
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    1966 Ford Mustang Coupe (sold)
    1978 Datsun 280Z (enjoying very much )

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    For a long term situation I thought of putting toothpicks in the carb tops where that plunger is so the carb piston can't rise up.
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    the best advise is to have a locked garage, don't draw a lot of attention, park in areas that are well lighted, but not in the back lot where you stick out. Keep the car clean of stuff, don't give them a reason to think you might have something nice in the car (no iPods, GPS . . . unless you take it with you). Keep the car in sight as best as you can.

    Lastly don't worry to much otherwise you will not enjoy the car.

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