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    Thumbs down Motorsport Auto heater control panel

    Anyone else buy one of these (Code: 40-3401A)? First I do appreciate someone taking the initiative to produce these. Nevertheless, the chrome work could have been done better. For the $270 I paid for a piece of plastic with a few cents worth of chrome, I think it shouldn't look out of the box like a panel that's been in a car for 20 years. The chrome work is not first class. Unfortunately this is probably the only option available outside of finding a Nissan part somewhere. My primary complaint is with the lettering. The lettering looks worn and thin. I haven't decided whether to return it or not. You can get some optional decals for later styles ($25), which I also purchased.

    If you're looking for a concours part, I don't think this is it.
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    Oh man, that is disappointing...I had high hopes this would be a better quality.
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    Call Motorsport. They are usually pretty good about making things right, (if they can).
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    Can you post some pictures? I would be interested to see what they look like.

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    I don't call that first class chrome.
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    First, I'd contact MSA (phone, not email) to discuss your concerns. Give them a chance to respond prior to making any judgement.

    But second, I wonder what the "chrome" process is - especially when the "chrome" is applied. Is the chrome applied over the black? Or is the entire part chromed and then the black is applied over the chrome? If the latter, it may be possible to make the lettering better defined by carefully cleaning more black paint off of the letters.

    But I would not attempt this without getting MSA's approval! You don't want to eliminate your return possibility by modifying it w/o permission.
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    I'm not going to do anything with this part. I just wonder how it got past the stringent QA process at MSA. I mean, I doubt I'm the only person that can see this.
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    That is it. Motorsport will contact you regarding that particular piece. Before prodcution one was delivered to MSA, MSA shipped out the sample one to you.
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    It is triple chrome. Not vacuum Metalizing process.
    Production ones are real chrome. Once again. It was shipped by mistake and only the sample one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by esprist View Post
    That is it. Motorsport will contact you regarding that particular piece. Before prodcution one was delivered to MSA, MSA shipped out the sample one to you.
    Are you associated with MSA?
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    Bryan -
    I you visit Esprist's web site above I think that will explain a lot - and also let you see some fantastic Datsun heritage! With 1000 posts that you have made I'm surprised that you have missed that in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travel'n Man View Post
    Bryan - I you visit Esprist's web site above I think that will explain a lot - and also let you see some fantastic Datsun heritage! With 1000 posts that you have made I'm surprised that you have missed that in the past.
    What's that's suppose to mean? What does my number of posts have to do with anything?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bpilati View Post
    Are you associated with MSA?
    Jay (esprist) is the manufacturer, and supplies MSA with these parts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arne View Post
    Jay (esprist) is the manufacturer, and supplies MSA with these parts.
    Okay thanks.
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    I saw and touch all the parts at JCCS that Jay commissioned to be remanufactured. They all looked almost like the factory originals. I told Jay that I will be buying some of his parts for sure.

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    Spoke to Arron (sp?) at MSA yesterday. They will exchange the part. He says the original Nissan parts were not of great quality either, due to the limitation of the process. Arne, the entire part is chromed and then painted, apparently just as Nissan had done. Bottomline is that he believes that the quality is as good as an original Nissan part. In that case, I suppose nothing more could be expected. In fact if the quality were better, then I suppose some would have issue with authenticity, but that's another discussion. I'm just looking for something at least as good as original. The part I received was a prototype that was not suppose to be shipped, as esprist stated.

    I'm guessing that Nissan chose this process for cost. Chrome was probably less costly at that time, and obviously to reproduce the part it would make sense to use the same process. If I knew more about chroming plastic I could say for sure.
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    Be sure to post pictures when you have time!
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    http://www.finishing.com/faqs/chrome.html


    I found this interesting.
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    I have a NOS panel I would sell for $300

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    Take a look at the chrome lettering on this NOS part, how do you think it compares?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bpilati View Post
    Take a look at the chrome lettering on this NOS part, how do you think it compares?
    OK. Let me clearfy. MSA Shipped out THE SAMPLE by mistake. I contaced MSA right after I saw your thred and found out that it was shipped out by mistake.
    MSA tried calling you and emailing you, but no response for few weeks. No offense here. So everyone knows that MSA have done their best to resolve the issue.
    Chrome finished one will be out in December, but you should get the production version shortly if you return THE SAMPLE.

    Here I have some of the bad finish on a NOS original one. I have 3 of them and they all look like this.
    1. Worped. They are not streight.
    2. Pitted chrome
    3. Over spray of black paint
    4. Heater decals are cut and pasted in 80's as they ran out of LHD version decal. (RHD version decal was cut and pasted for US panel)
    5. Some of the holes are mess from being taking out from injection mold.
    6. There is almost no Streight line. Everyline was wavy.
    7. More and more issues if point out!
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ID:	49196Here is our Black one.

    It was measure by hand by every 1 mm, because original was not the quality so that we could digital scan the whole unit.
    As close as original in every detail but some areas which needed some design improvement.

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    Dear bpilati

    We are sorry that you received the sample piece. And we totally understand that you were very disappointed about this matter.
    We hope that you will receive a replacement soon from MSA.

    Sincerly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arne View Post
    I wonder what the "chrome" process is - especially when the "chrome" is applied. Is the chrome applied over the black? Or is the entire part chromed and then the black is applied over the chrome?
    Saw this video and thought of this thread. Might be an interesting alternative to real chrome and vacuum metalized processes. Looks easy enough to do, though upstream UK site shows "sold out". Anyone tried one of these newer style silver based paints?


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    Quote Originally Posted by esprist View Post
    Dear bpilati

    We are sorry that you received the sample piece. And we totally understand that you were very disappointed about this matter.
    We hope that you will receive a replacement soon from MSA.

    Sincerly
    I actually visited MSA recently, and took a look at the latest version. It is better than the one I received, so I'll probably order one when the time comes.
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    Default This is the production version

    Like I mentioned from the beginning of this thred,
    It was a shipping error, and this is what you are getting,

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    That looks awesome, even my wife agreed that i need a new one. Its all about the dough though....
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    Thank you very much, and I hope your wife will get you one on your birthday!
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    I have the center panel from esprist (through MSA) and it's first class. Looks great!

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    Thank you very much for your comment!

    MSA and us are also offereing "Plain black" and "all chrome" versions for those of you who would like to finish it on your own as well.
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