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    This incar is of a one lap PB around the improved Lakeside circuit in AU, hosted a couple of international F1 GP's back in the late sixties plus V8 supercar races after then. Now it hosts races, time attack etc up to State level, pretty testing circuit but a real blast if you can keep it on the tarmac Anyway here is the vid, perhaps others would like to post their one lap PB's, Z is a 280ZXT with a VG30DET engine and Federal FZ201 semi slicks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47OSh...&feature=g-upl

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    Great video and sound. I'm assuming it must be hi def?
    However, I noticed that the steering wheel is on the wrong side.

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    Nice looking track video!

    Here is a lap I recorded going around Houston MSR in a Driver's Edge event earlier this year.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nemNHjA9tZk

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    I really don't like seeing that dumb curbing stuff. They should all remove the curbing so people learn how to drive, like the masters. Otherwise, just make the track wider, or just make it straight.
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    Love the long fast American tracks, the only ones comparable in AU would be Mt Panaroma (Bathurst) and Phillip Island although I can do over 200kph at Lakeside and through The Kink too which adds to the, errrr, excitement I find that the alternative coloured kerbs can be handy as markers eg corner apex, otherwise the problem is that there is always someone who will cut a corner and throw up rubbish onto the track.

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    If it's paved...drive on it. As long as it doesn't upset the suspension, the fastest way around can involve putting a wheel on the curbing.
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    If you want to go fast, go to Daytona or Indianapolis. If you want a curvy track, learn to DRIVE, instead of expecting the track owner to make up for your lack of skill. Otherwise, you can go to the drag strip; it's wide, and there are no curves, so there is no curbing.

    If you insist on having curbing, we'll be happy to provide some square curbs for you to drive over.
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    Square curbing doesn't sound like much fun and I'm not much of a drag strip guy. Maybe one day I'll be a good enough driver to only use the black bits and still turn in quick, consistent lap times. Still lots to learn about competitive driving. That's the fun part.
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    If you want to practice high speed driving with "square curbing," head to the local shopping mall!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomoHawk View Post
    If you want to practice high speed driving with "square curbing," head to the local shopping mall!
    We used to do this a lot, mostly after drinking, and usually in pickup trucks.

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    This was linked to the MSA site. Sorry if it is a repeat but it is very cool. It is rather unusual to see a Z as the heavy horsepower car on the track.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8iI0B5G80I

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    Bit of a traffic jam there and the Z driver is being very polite, great track though.

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    I need to figure out how to make my car sound more like this one.

    http://youtu.be/d6bh9RVdOKg

    The G-force spider hanging from the rearveiw mirror is a nice touch!
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    I was watching the Hungarian Grand Prix, and I noticed that they had the usual curbing, and some more paving on the outside of that! Otherwise these guys would be driving in the grass! They didn't just drive on it for a moment, they stayed on the curbing until the car was straight, and only went back on the pavement when the curbing ended.

    How bad are these guys that they can't stay between the two edge lines??

    Otherwise, just make it a 200-mile long straight track, about 1000 metres wide. Maybe they can handle that.
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    Here's an idea to get them back on the track:

    Have some lifters under the curbing to lift the blocks up a few inches at random times...
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    I believe the F1 guys only have to keep one tire inside the white lines (although the marshals don't seem to catch all of the violations). Whether you are driving an F1 or a Datsun, in some corners it's faster to clip the apex and/or track out wide. All else being equal, the guy who never drops a wheel will be slower than the guy who runs consistently with two wheels on the curbing. Since the rules allow it, pro drivers have to ride the curbing in order to continue to be pro drivers.
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    Then they aren't Pro drivers any more. To make all things EQUAL, just just remove all the curbing. If they have all wheels off the track, I'd say they were heading for a barrier of some sort, or in trouble in general.

    Racing isn't about going fast; it's about getting to the finish first.
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    Hungaroring is a rubbish circuit and the kerbing mentioned is a problem, I think it is like that for safety reasons at that point. If you go off there a big solid wall is not far away. Kerbing has it's use though, it protects the outer edge of the track from being damaged and eroded away and then being a safety risk eg tyre damage.

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    Go to YouTube and check out Silverstreak1971... He is a member here and most of his videos are at Thunderhill in Northern California. He does a heck of a lot of passing for a guy driving a 40 year old car... 8D

    Do a search on YouTube, 'Silverstreak1971 240Z Thunderhill'
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    Quote Originally Posted by 260DET View Post
    it protects the outer edge of the track from being damaged and eroded away
    That's the whole point. If these "professional" drivers would stay between the white painted lines, they wouldn't need to be cheating by driving on the curbing.
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    This is one of my personal favorites. First. because I created it by accident and second, because I won! When I first watched it i was amazed at how close to an F1 car it sounds. Don't turn up the speakers if you're in public.

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eklSjBM1_Do

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    Hahahahaha!!! So that's how they did the racing in the F&F movies??
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    Greg, That is hilarious! Man your quick.. ;-)

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    Here is me in my car last weekend at Thunderhill Raceway Park in Northern Calfornia. Stock seats and belts so I was holding on for dear life but once I got my bearings on how to hold myself in place things went better.

    http://www.youtube.com/my_videos_edi...id=akqw32y9WDE

    I should clarify, that is my car in front. The Z from which it is being filmed belongs to Silverstreak1971 or just Silverstreak here.
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    Oh that's REAL nice! Kind of like watching a bad porno, where you make it through the plot and the tape breaks before the money shot!

    Can we please have a password?

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    The link doesn't work Rob. It thinks I'm trying to edit a video.
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    I just pstedthe ID number in the search box: akqw32y9WDE and you get the correct link to the video
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    Naturally, it works just fine for me. 8( There must be a method other than pasting the URL for posting YouTube video here. I have to search for a FAQ on that and repost...
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    I'm looking forward to seeing your video Rob. Post it again when the link is fixed. Now that I'm sort of Youtube savy, here are two in car videos from this Summer. The first one is of a great race against national and, of course, our regional cars at Sears Point to include a 350Z, and the second is of me doing a huge spin out at Laguna Seca during qualifying. It was looking like a fast one too.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rNDODZ8sNA&feature=plcp

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dH0pahULhg&feature=plcp

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    Quote Originally Posted by coop View Post
    I'm looking forward to seeing your video Rob. Post it again when the link is fixed. Now that I'm sort of Youtube savy, here are two in car videos from this Summer. The first one is of a great race against national and, of course, our regional cars at Sears Point to include a 350Z, and the second is of me doing a huge spin out at Laguna Seca during qualifying. It was looking like a fast one too.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rNDODZ8sNA&feature=plcp

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dH0pahULhg&feature=plcp

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    Hey Coop, do you like your wink mirror? I used one for a few races and hated it. I switched to a panoramic mirror with huge improvements in vision. The other thing I notice is that it looks like you have a lot of bump steer. I moved my LCA pivots up and mine is now rock solid. My street Z is still stock and it is just like your race car. The wheel is all over the place through bumpy curves.

    Nice video, BTW! Looks like fun.
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    This looks like it will work... This is what that little beauty looks like when she's not in motion. Silverstreak's looks the same.

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    Coop, I have one of those Wink mirrors as well. Mine is mounted much higher on the windshield than yours. I haven't decided on whether to keep it or not so I'm also interested on what you think of yours and how you keep it from vibrating with the mounting arms being so long. Outstanding driving by the way!
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    Jeff,

    The Wink mirror is OK. I've had it for years and have never tried any other type so don't know about the panoramic mirror.

    As far as bump steer goes, IT rules don't allow bump steer spacers so the most that can be done, which I've done, is adjust the eccentric bushings to the 12 O'clock position to minimize bump steer. Also, I drive the absolute stink out of this car and am constantly making lots of very small and sometimes very large adjustments to the steering wheel throughout the course. It is at the limit most of the time as the back end is trying to come around. I also pitch the car when entering corners to set up the drift angles I want. Not everyone drives this way. It is a compromise since I am not allowed an aero package so I have to set the car up that will understeer in the tight stuff and oversteer in the fast stuff. At some courses such as Reno Fernley, I can only go flat through the extremely fast esses when I install the rear vintage spoiler.

    For sure, this is an old car with lots of limitations in the suspension so I just toss it, catch it, and then steer with throttle. Try teaching that at driver school. This all was way more difficult back when the diff was welded up. What a hand full. I've watched some of my friend's in car footage of the same races and when you look at their steering wheel, it hardly moves at all. They just turn into the corner and drive through with little or no correction. They are also a lot slower and are nowhere getting the most out of their cars.

    Most folks drive Miatas now which are amazing handling cars with good brakes. A friend sold his Z, hopped in a Miata and immediately went two seconds faster. He said that the Miata was much easier to drive so there it is. I refuse to go the Miata route. Not gunna do it, wouldn't be prudent(George H. W. Bush).

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    Steve,

    The reason the mirror sits so low is that my seat is slammed down on the floor. Mounting the mirror up high would require that I look at a greater angle off the driving line. I basically like everything right in front of me. For racing purposes only as they say. I use two long brackets, one on each end off the mirror, that I fabricated out of mild steel. Nothing fancy, just bent at right angles and hose clamped to the roll cage forward, upper, cross tube. It doesn't vibrate all that much but I use it for only a glance now and then as I'm otherwise busy. Now for a street car, vibration and a low mounting position would be a nuisance for sure. Jeff mentioned the panoramic mirror which seems quite reasonable.

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    Great looking car Rob. What a great day at the track! Say, if you want, I can gen up a video lap of TH from my seat if you're interested in my line.

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    Coop, I got my panoramic mirror from IOPort. I really like it. For 24 hour races, rear vision is critical and the wink just made a mess of all the headlights.

    I figured you couldn't change your geometry. That sucks. Your hands never stop moving. Nice driving!
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    Quote Originally Posted by coop View Post
    Great looking car Rob. What a great day at the track! Say, if you want, I can gen up a video lap of TH from my seat if you're interested in my line.
    I would love that Larry!
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    Rob,

    Here is a link to a video of the last three laps of a recent race at Thunderhill. Very conservative driving but my general line just the same.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCQiw...&feature=g-upl

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    Thanks Larry! Very cool. That thing runs great considering the pretty stock limitations you have to work with!
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    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a75HcSRdigY

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    Great video.
    So, if you break loose on that track, are you considered a High Plains Drifter?

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    You mean like I did in turn 8 of this lap?
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    Friend in his 370Z, basically standard NA engine, stripped, aero, Hoosier R6 tyres. So you think a OE production V6 can't sound good and lap faster than most porkers? Oooops, got banned from HybridZ for promoting that reality, hehe, touchy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_7vl...&feature=g-upl
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    I went to The Streets of Willowsprings with the Alfa Club the weekend before T-Day. Here is some of the action form the first practice Staurday morning.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chris b View Post
    Had some fun at Barbagallo Raceway WA last weekend. A very wide Falcon and my cheeky mate passed after the chequered flag!


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    Nice videos Chris. That track looks like a lot of fun.
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    Default Chasing a Porche at Collie

    Collie is a club circuit about 200 kilometers south of Perth.

    It was a hot day, listening to the audio I can hear a miss which I think is due to fuel vapourisation. I was using an electric fuel pump along with the mechanical pump to a fuel block with aline to each of the Webers.

    I have reinstalled the return to the fuel tank instead of deadending at the webers. I hope that this along with a better heatshield will fix things at the top-end of the rev range.


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    I made a video of the Mid Ohio course with speed and time overlaid on the screen, but the average speed turned out to be about 5 MPH, so I deleted it. At least it took 12 minutes to go the 2 mile lap...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomoHawk View Post
    I made a video of the Mid Ohio course with speed and time overlaid on the screen, but the average speed turned out to be about 5 MPH, so I deleted it. At least it took 12 minutes to go the 2 mile lap...
    I could probably keep up with that!

    Does any one have any experience with QSTARZ BT-Q1000eX (10Hz) lap timer? Can it be integrated with the Go -Pro like TommoHawk describes above?

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    No, but I have just got a Oregon Scientific ATC9K with a G meter and the optional GPS module to do overlay videos, Racerender seems like it should work to do that, will be trying it out in the New Year.

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    I just use this:

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    Looks good but for some reason or other phones do not belong in my race car, according to the driver

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    Making fiberglass doors for my Z, what a PITA job, so it's out of action. In the meantime, fastest street S30 at Lakeside. The most testing circuit in the world according to Mick Doohan Lakeside 29.11.12 Nev going straight - YouTube

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    To get the speed and track I used Qstarz laptimer with the DashWare program. The only problem is that it is difficult to accurately synchronise with the Gopro video.

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    If you can look into the aLapRecorderHD application for android. It can record video with GPS or OBD data onscreen, and you can export the video.
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    Final hit out at Collie before starting the 4 day across continent drive to Bathurst on Sunday for the Easter Bathurst Motoring Festival.

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    That's a nice video. It's also good to see that you still have your original (style) mirror

    We should find a way to mount the camera somewhere about where the driver's helmet is, to get a more realistic view of the track or road.
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    Have fun at Bathurst Chris, I'm going to the Nats at Phillip Island this Easter. Plan on Bathurst next year, thanks to your message I am on the mailing list now

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomoHawk View Post
    That's a nice video. It's also good to see that you still have your original (style) mirror

    We should find a way to mount the camera somewhere about where the driver's helmet is, to get a more realistic view of the track or road.
    Problem with that is unpadded hardware anywhere near the driver is frowned upon by the scrutineers. In the middle is a good compramise, like mine in the sig panel below.

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    Have fun on the Island at the Datsun Nationals. Please post some footage. There will be 2 Zs from Western Australia attending. Regards Chris

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    Phillip Island GP circuit for the 2013 Nissan Datsun Nationals sprints, my first time there*so poking around trying to find where it all went. G forces caused the incar camera's battery to disconnect 2013 Nissan Datsun Nationals sprints at Phillip Island - YouTube

    *1850km trip, two 12 hour days, turbo diesel tow car

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    And to round it off a pic of the camera car.

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    Had a chat with the two blokes from WA Chris, they seemed to be enjoying themselves

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    Default Bathurst Motor Festival Easter 2013

    I have only heard positive reports about the Datsun Nationals at Phillip Island Easter 2013.

    At Bathurst (also at Easter) there were a lot of incidents resulting in safety cars, yellow and red flags. We eventually had some clear runs.

    Certainly worth the 4 day each way transcontinental drive.



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    We have something called the 2Bad Challenge at MidOhio sportscar course. It involves Datsuns, BMWs, and Alphas. Last year the Datsuns won overall, and this year the BMWs want to even the score. The event will be in late June.
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    We went to the AROSC time trial and race at Chuckwalla Valley Raceway last weekend. This was my first time driving at this track. I took first place in class with a time of 2:19 and my father took second with a time of 2:20 driving the same car. We shared the track with Redline Time Attack. I was in the open passing (red) run group which was populated by a lot of faster cars so I got passed a lot. Here is a video from Sunday morning practice.


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    Bit of a two for one video here, from 2:00 on see the Winged Warrior 280ZX on a mission then a bit later Mike pushes the 350Z camera car just a bit too hard.

    Midweek Sprints Lakeside Raceway 15-05-2013 - Run 4 - YouTube

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    Quote Originally Posted by 260DET View Post
    Bit of a two for one video here, from 2:00 on see the Winged Warrior 280ZX on a mission then a bit later Mike pushes the 350Z camera car just a bit too hard.

    Midweek Sprints Lakeside Raceway 15-05-2013 - Run 4 - YouTube
    Hope there wasn't too much damage.

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    No, bit of a scrape along the front. Up until then he was going OK on pretty ordinary tyres I thought.

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    Default Chasing the Hairdresser



    Sprint day at Barbagallo Raceway WA. The Z rounded up and passed the M3 but then went a bit flat.

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    Default Shooting a central city red light at 120 KPH and not getting your car confiscated!

    Perth City Sprint Special Stage.

    Part of Riverside Drive in central Perth andthe Concert Hall car-park is closed each year for the final stage of the Targa-West Rally. The City Sprint is for classic cars as a warm up to the Rally Stage. It suits the Z just fine.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chris b View Post
    ............................Sprint day at Barbagallo Raceway WA. The Z rounded up and passed the M3 but then went a bit flat.
    Zed sounds good and sits nice and flat in the corners Chris, see you at Bathurst Easter 2014?

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    Yes I have entered as has Peter (gold Z). The other Peter (white Z) will also be there but with his Winnebago.

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    Perth City Sprint 2014

    Once again Riverside Drive was closed for the Perth City Sprint. The Vintage Sporting Car Club o WA run the event prior to the stage being used for the final of Targa West. There were 5 Zeds in the Sprint and 3 Zeds in Targa West. The in-car is from my GoPro.


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    Some in-car track footage from last year at Chuckwalla. No me driving but a lot of fun Z footage.

    http://youtu.be/wH8Azho4DUI

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    Great video Pete.
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    Default Messy up the hill in the wet

    It doesn't rain very much in Western Australia, hence the need for the explanation at the start and demonstrated low wet weather skill level.

    It's also pretty flat, hence the poor excuse for a hill.

    But hey, we still have fun going up the hill in the wet!

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    Did someone say rain? How about one from Road Atlanta last year.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rxsleeper View Post
    Did someone say rain? How about one from Road Atlanta last year.

    What a drive!

    Amazing!

    Conditions like that would have seen a red flag in WA.

    How good was the Mazda(?) spinning off. That should have put a big smile on your face.

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    Default Wagging it on a Monday

    Wagging it on a Monday

    Definition wag
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    El Presidento Hally, Mad Mike, Howie T aka Angus and Chris all agreed it was the Best Monday Ever when your Z Register representatives collectively wagged it, went to Barbagallo Racewayand wagged the tail of our Zeds. We had lots of fun and thank Triumph Sports Owners Association (TSOA) for letting us come along and play.

    6 grids of 10 cars each were established to run 3 timed laps of the short circuit and then 3 timed laps of the long circuit. The TSOA very sensibly set up 4 grids of Triumphs of various denominations. They had fun collectively leaking oil, breaking down and proceeding with a sense of driving a car appropriately representative of an empire on which the sun has well and truly set.

    The 2 remaining groups consisted of Sensible Others and Crazy Bastard Others. El Presidento, Angus and Chris joined some minis, a BMW M3, Lotus, and PBR Clubman on the Sensible Others grid. I guess we all know where Mad Mike ended up.

    MM joined representatives from Dodgy Brothers Racing on a grid with a mentality that if you don’t have 400 horse power you may as well ride your bicycle to Mount Lawley, have a cup of decaf and discuss Lycra fashions. Mike and his cohorts went around the circuit mostly sideways, burning rubber and making a determined contribution to global warming. Fortunately Mad Mike was the fastest of the Crazy Bastard Others grid on the day and the FTD on the long circuit for the event. Well done Mike!

    On the Sensible Others grid the 3 remaining Zeds topped the field. Angus, forever the true gentleman that he is, thoughtfully let his high tension lead fall of mid lap so that our hosts would not go away with the belief that only Triumphs were capable of getting a DNF. Chris was well and truly whopped by El Presidento and is believed to have burst into tears when reading the results sheet.

    Us Zed boys all wagged the tails of our Zeds as vigorously as a pack of Jack Russells on speed and agreed it really was the Best Monday Ever. Thanks TSOA!

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