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    I'm all worked up about this so if i start talking i'll just shoot off my mouth, so i'll paste below an e-mail i recieved tonight.




    A Media Release today by the Minister for Local Government, Territories and Roads, the HON. JIM LLOYD MP, spells the effective death of the 15 year rule as we know it. This is reproduced below for your information. In essence, from today 7th Feb 2005, only 1988 and older vehicles can be imported under the 15 year rule. This will be gradually increased to 30 years over time.

    All other vehicles for road use must be imported under SEVS. Anyone who can prove a financial commitment to a 1989 or 1990 vehicle prior to today's announcement will be exempted from the changes and will still be entitled to an Import Approval once the vehicle is 15 years old.

    The statement mentions "a level playing field", obviously to the Australian Govt. this involves sheltering our small and uneconomical local market from imports by grossly and unfairly restricting what is allowed in after conducting limited community / industry consultation. Not sure what happened to free trade or a fair go in this case. And this is after setting up SEVS as a means to control the import numbers of a restricted selection of vehicles, leading to less consumer choice and much higher prices.

    If you have any comments about the changes please direct these to the contact points shown at the end of the statement.

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    L11/05

    Monday February 7 2005



    MINISTER ANNOUNCES CLOSURE OF CAR IMPORT LOOPHOLE



    A plan to tighten Australia’s vehicle importation laws that will reinforce motor vehicle safety and emission standards was announced today by the Minister for Local Government, Territories and Roads, Jim Lloyd.



    “The Government is closing a loophole that has enabled mainstream cars over 15 years of age to be imported in commercial quantities, and not subjected to safety and emission certification,” Mr Lloyd said.



    “Importers of these cars were using an exemption that allows hobbyists and enthusiasts to import classic and historic cars. This exemption exists as these vehicles generally perform low mileages and are limited in numbers, and therefore represent a minimal risk to overall Australian vehicle and safety goals.



    “Without such an exemption, the private importation of these types of older, collectible cars would become uneconomic.



    “The closure of this loophole will only apply to those vehicles which do not fit in the classic and historic category, thus preserving the ability of hobbyists and enthusiasts to obtain older classic cars and historic vehicles.”



    Mr Lloyd said a transitional arrangement would be provided for other vehicle importers who had current commitments to bring in vehicles under the old rule.



    “The changeover is being introduced gradually, to allow importers and consumers time to react to the revised focus of the exemption,” Mr Lloyd said.



    Under the new rule:



    Vehicles manufactured before 1 January 1989 may be imported without restriction.
    Vehicles built during 1989 (or later) will need to qualify under the Registered Automotive Workshop Scheme (RAWS) and will need to be certified as complying with Australian Design Rules (applicable at the date of manufacture). To qualify under RAWS, vehicle models must meet the specialist and enthusiast criteria.
    The buffer period (between collectible vehicles and mainstream vehicles) will be gradually extended over time – up to a maximum of 30 years.


    A transitional arrangement will also be established. Those importers who have already made a financial commitment before today on a vehicle manufactured in 1990 intended for future import, will be allowed to bring the vehicle into the country under the old rule up to the end of December 2005.



    “This new rule will re‑instate a ‘level playing field’ within the industry. Vehicles supplied to the same market will be subject to the same regulatory environment, substantially reducing cost pressures on mainstream businesses,” Mr Lloyd said.



    Media inquiries:

    Mr Lloyd’s office: Fiona Telford 02 6277 7060

    Technical inquiries:

    Department of Transport and Regional Services: Justin Bryan 02 6274 7426
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    Yep, that's been on the cards for a while now, not that that makes it ok! R32 skylines were just about to become readily available too!

    It's just frustrating isn't it...

    30 years soon!

    What a load of utter crap.

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    I just wanna import a 2 seater ZX turbo to rip it's motor from

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    It sounds like the change is meant to stop dealerships from importing scores of cars, not the enthusiast from bringing over a couple.

    Hey Gavin, why not just imort the mechanicals you want instead of a whole car you don't.

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    I find it very hard to find all the bits i need including loom, computer, distributor, intake manifold, exhaust manifold etc... often if i see this stuff on ebay it's seperate and each item goes for too much money once converted to AUD$. I thought about a half cut but under the 15 year law it prob works out cheaper to import the whole car.

    Also buyign a whole car would probably be cheaper than the sum of it's parts.
    The other good factor is that a 2 seater S130 was never released here and I figured I'd sell the shell once i've molested it for it's good bits to someone who wants to have a 2 seater ZX for something a bit different.

    However as you can see it's not a simple process and hence the reason i've gone the stroker route.

    It might be more economical and rewarding to go an RB motor later if i'm not happy with the power in my Z .

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    I'm real angry about this happening. I had an R32 GTR import on the cards for later this year. But now i can't get it at all Prob get a GTO or something now. So i can have fun while i restore the zed hehe.
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    Sorry to hear that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gav240z
    I just wanna import a 2 seater ZX turbo to rip it's motor from
    You Sir are a butcher Love the ZX real coupe, what a neglected and underestimated car

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    Hey Gav, that rule only affects cars that are to be registered. You can still bring over any car you want if it is only for parts or racing. There are a few imported series 6 RX7's going for around 12 grand because they can't be registered. Normal price is about 30 grand.
    I drive a Z because there simply weren't enough station wagons to go around.

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    Thumbs up The Butcher!

    Quote Originally Posted by 260DET
    You Sir are a butcher Love the ZX real coupe, what a neglected and underestimated car
    yeah i am a bit of a butcher but........

    Have you seen this months car of the month at http://www.zcar.com/month/

    Minimal mods and doing 13.72 down the 1/4mile imagine that in a lighter better 240z .

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    oh and Btw the ZX is an AUTO

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    Dump the boat anch...err L series donk, a Q45 would fit nicely into the 280ZX engine bay, a turbo or two if required, rip out the heavy interior options, add a set of wide dishies to fill the wheel wells........

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    Sorry guys but thats the best news I've heard today

    I already own a 90's 300tt and was expecting the arse to fall out of the market this year.

    Seriously though I think imports should meet our safety standards regards intrusion beams, seatbelts etc the bull**** part is the people that charge $1000 just for the compliance plate

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    Gav: The ZX turbo would be pre 89, therefore you can still import them without having to go through SEVS etc.

    My understanding of the situation is that you will still be able to import pre 89 vehicles, until ~2019, then the year will start increasing. Just imagine how crapped out all the GT-Rs, 300ZXs etc will be by then.
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    They'll be the zeds of that age! Like my 30 yr old beast hehe. Wow imagin a GTR looking like my zed. That makes me sad to think of
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    Wow, I know things here in the states are not getting any better, but man I feel for you guys down there in Auzzie land. They take away your guns, now they're taking away your cars....what's next on the agenda? Look out guys, next they'll be coming after your pe_ _s's (hangy-down-think).

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    We still got guns man. We just don't shoot people with them so it's all good..

    I agree though, that is the strongest point against it, they're taking away our right. Our right to choose cheaper better quality cars over the junk that's already here.
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    I mean i can understand if they want us to buy more cars built in Australia but at the end of the day who's gonna benefit? International car companies of course.

    It's a bit unfair but we can still import cars I guess. It's just the 15 year rule where it's cheaper. However to be fair some cars arn't allowed to be registered here which is unfair.

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    Well, it was good while it lasted.

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    Nah the problem is that the SEVS rules are too unworkable. Also a lot of cars won't be put under that scheme either, so for example if you want a nice nissan (R32 GTR, 300zx, s13 silvia/180sx, GTi-R) too bad, they're not importable. This is taking the rights away from us to chose the better car.
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    What, not importable at all? I just thought they would be treated like the <15 yr old cars are now? That is, cannot be modified in any way and cost a packet to get up to scratch with the ADR's?

    Like you, I am really keen on an BNR32 at some stage in the distant future (hopefully before they become classic ). I'm not sure I would import one through Geoff or another company though, difficult to know what you're getting...
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    Lachlan: The R32 GT-R is not available under sevs..... Looks like it'll be 2019 before they're imported again. :-/
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    You could always buy an Australian Delivered R32 .

    I'm not following this Sevs guidline too well.
    Does this mean we can't import an R34 or R33 GTR aswell?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Datto-Zed
    Lachlan: The R32 GT-R is not available under sevs..... Looks like it'll be 2019 before they're imported again. :-/
    Or add 10 grand to my budget to get one locally!

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    True. People have to remember that a fark load of them have already been imported and there's always plenty of them for sale privately.
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    All cars under 15 years old that could already be imported still can be Gav, it's just the ones 15 years or older that have changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Datto-Zed
    Lachlan: The R32 GT-R is not available under sevs..... Looks like it'll be 2019 before they're imported again. :-/
    Is it some years of the R32 GTR can be imported or none at all?
    The car was sold locally, but not for the whole run of the R32 series...cant remember if that made a difference or not.

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    As far as I know they wont be available under SEVS, so no more of any age will be allowed from now on. If the 15 year rule were to have continued, then any year that they weren't sold in australia would have been available. That's my understanding of it anyway.....correct me if I'm wrong.
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    Yeah that's right i think. No more at all, any year.
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    But we can still import S13's can't we!?

    I dont think even god himself could stop the plague of those pussboxes from reaching our fair shores....(sorry any S13 owners)

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    NO WE CAN'T! HOW GOOD IS THAT!?

    The way i see it is, now the flow of S13's has been stopped, i'll start taking them out one by one, and soon they'll all be gone!

    No apologies to s13 owners, your cars are crap, if you read this forum anyway, you're in the right place to get a better model :P
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    At the QR sprints an average SR20DET Silvia with R tyres will beat most everything else, including my turbo Zed by about four seconds It takes a late model high spec well driven Porsche or Skyline to beat them, they are a damm well balanced quick car, like it or not

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    Yeah but why does it have to be that wankers drive them? This might just be speaking for townsville though.
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    Because they are cheap go fast and have a hero reputation. I somtimes think that when people buy a certain car they feel they have to act a certain way in it to fit into the profile they bought the car for.

    The same would apply for Mercedes drivers, BMW, Silvia, Skyline, Commodore, even us Z drivers im sure fit a profile !

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    Quote Originally Posted by MickieB
    Yeah but why does it have to be that wankers drive them? This might just be speaking for townsville though.
    That's a bit of a big generalisation Mick! While there are plenty of tossers driving them up here, I also know a bunch of really great guys that drive them. Maybe it's just that the tossers are the ones that make themselves noticed.

    You'll have to come on a cruise with us some time Mick....meet a bunch of the non-tossers in the T'ville car scene.
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    One of my mates use to have one actually. It was just a SR20DE though. Not a bad car, I just think that there are so many of them over here, and so many of them are trash. I remember going to an auction and the ****tiest cars I could find were the old S13's which had been flogged to within an inch of their life.

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    Yeah justin i was generalising. I know morgan and ummm nick is it? (180SR) are pretty cool. But the strand rats are wankers. And the worst thing is, they have a warped reality of just how good their cars are. Sorry to tell them, but a 14 second pass isn't anything special, but to them it is.
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    180SR = Nathan

    There's a few others like Caillin (20DET), Bozz, and a few others whose names I cannot remember that aren't wankers.
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    Yeah i'm friends with Nathan's sister and i always get his name wrong... Oh well... In my ongoing hunt for a new car, i would go for a 180sx except that straight away people look down on your in townsville. Especially the law.
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    Yeh its a damm pity that the Silvia attracts idiots then gets abused. There should be just one make of car specially made for them

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    Quote Originally Posted by 260DET
    Yeh its a damm pity that the Silvia attracts idiots then gets abused. There should be just one make of car specially made for them
    There was/is, its a family sedan called the VL

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    Quote Originally Posted by MickieB
    Oh well... In my ongoing hunt for a new car, i would go for a 180sx except that straight away people look down on your in townsville. Especially the law.
    At the risk of sounding gay...how about a 205 GTI ?

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    Yeah VL's suck major balls. So much. The guitarist in my band wants one so bad. I told him if he gets it he's not using it to get to gigs, that'll make us look bad. And yeah, san maru, if you mean the Swift GTI, i've had enough of hatch backs, got one now. Want something sporty to compliment my zed haha. Man i hate vl's, so badly. I don't see why people think they're good. Only good thing about them is the jap motor.

    I know they're quick cars Justin, but only one i'd buy is.... No wait none of them... Lol. It's hard to explain what i'm looking for. Kinda luxory sport i guess. But not at the same time. It's odd. Plus i want a good looking car, cause i'm superficial.
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    I think he meant Peugeot 205 GTi.

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    san_maru_zed is talking about the Peugot 205GTI.....not a bad bit of kit. I'm looking at buying a hot hatch as a daily when I finish uni later this year. Maybe a 206GTI 180 or Renault Clio Sport Cup.
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    Cool, wasn't sure. You can buy my mirage justin, i'll give it to you for a bargain price of way more than it's worth. Let's say, 7k neg? I think that is a fairly inflated value for a car that's pushing 300k on the dial since '97.

    Excuse my sarcasm, i still can't believe i was stupid enough to buy it, and now it's going to be impossible to sell for the sort of money i need. But yeah if you are interested in it make me an offer haha, though i wouldn't advise it.
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    I'll stick with my little old datsuns thanks.

    Zed>Sunny>Mirage
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    Quote Originally Posted by MickieB
    Yeah VL's suck major balls. So much. The guitarist in my band wants one so bad. I told him if he gets it he's not using it to get to gigs, that'll make us look bad. And yeah, san maru, if you mean the Swift GTI, i've had enough of hatch backs, got one now. Want something sporty to compliment my zed haha. Man i hate vl's, so badly. I don't see why people think they're good. Only good thing about them is the jap motor.

    I know they're quick cars Justin, but only one i'd buy is.... No wait none of them... Lol. It's hard to explain what i'm looking for. Kinda luxory sport i guess. But not at the same time. It's odd. Plus i want a good looking car, cause i'm superficial.
    I wouldn't mind the Pulsar GTI-R as a daily driver good on fuel and would suprise a few people especially looser WRX owners .

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    What about the tighter ones?

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    Hahahaha good call alfadog. I have thought of the GTi-R a bit, but i really don't want another hatch back hey.
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    GTi-Rs are great fun in a straight line.....but I can guarantee any zed car driver will be VERY disapointed with the handling on a stock one.....it feels terrible.
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    Hobout a Cima? Or a cefiro? Both luxury/performance models and also carry on with the nissan lineage...
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    If i bought a Cefiro i have a friend who would KILL me. I'm actually looking at the Eunos Cosmo. Nice car. The 80L fuel tank is a tad daunting though...
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    Haha....you couldn't afford fuel for the cosmo.

    I have a mate that is also considering one....nice car.
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    Yeah they're sexy. You don't realise the fuel consumption till you see the top model (the one i'd want) has an 80L tank stock... Although the rotory sorta speaks for itself on fuel consumption. But yeah i want a weekend car, i'll have a bike for during the week, don't need to afford it as a daily driver.
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    Cosmo would be ok if that's the case, but again like the GT-R, you'd want to find a good unmolested example and even then, make sure you have money to spare in case something does fcuk up.
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    Well the example on prestige is only $9200, and it's in very good condition. Can't get it anymore though, but there's one in toowoomba for 20k that is claimed to be in show room condition, and it's got some nice mods done, and i could go see it first. But i'll see, my mate will kill me if i buy one cause he wants one so badly. Any other ideas of luxory sports cars? (Not soarers)

    Also i'm looking at the spec R-GT 200sx. It's a mid 2002 model, so not yet three years old, resonably priced considering how new it is and what you get, and it's NISSAN!
    If i go for this car i'll have to wait a bit longer to get some more cash under my belt.
    Also correct me if i'm wrong, but won't insurance be cheaper cause it was sold locally?
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    Insurance might be cheaper on the s15.....you'd have to check. Mind you, the GT s15 was all cosmetic upgrades....you might as well buy a early manual spec S. That's going to be the best bang for your buck.
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    Nah the GT has extras like the in dash 6 stacker, and the sunroof. And i figure if i'm going to be up to my neck in debt, i may aswell get the best i can hey.
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    Well that's what I mean....it's all cosmetic really. You can buy stacker if you want one....and a sunroof just makes you a wannabe hairdresser.

    The spec S will be faster (lighter) and cheaper.

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    It's also heavier...! Beats me why anyone would buy it over the Spec-S. I mean nobody in a silvia is going to buy it just to be a poser.........

    edit : aw shucks, you beat me to it

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    You sure it's got nothing to do with persformance? Seems a bit foul to whack a GT badge on there if it'll perform less..

    I must look in to this more....
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    Lach:

    Mick: That's exactly what they did. It's like just about every limited edition car you buy these days....all cosmetic sh*t and no extra performance.
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    What might come as more of a surprise is that it has the same 147kW as the S14...!

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    Yeah but the s14 has an ugly rear end, and i'm all for looks with my speed (eg, the zed). I think the spec s is the go then. I can put a spoiler on later if i want. Gotta get the money first though hey!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MickieB
    Yeah but the s14 has an ugly rear end, and i'm all for looks with my speed (eg, the zed). I think the spec s is the go then. I can put a spoiler on later if i want. Gotta get the money first though hey!
    You need eye surgery boy!

    One moment you're saying the s14 has an ugly rear end.....then next thing you're saying you wanna put a spoiler on an s15!

    IMO the s14 rear end looks quite nice, but especially with no spoiler. s15 also looks better without.
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    No i love the stock spec R spoiler. I wouldn't go putting a massive GT wing on it or something like that, just the stock one. I can't stand cars without spoilers, all these boys take off their spoilers atm cause it's fashion, but they're also the ones going to the drag strip trying to bust out big times when it's most needed.

    Sorry i hate the townsville ricers, more dollars then sense.
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    Well then they'd by taking their wings off with good reason. Wing = drag = slower time. For most street cars they wont go fast enough to require the stability provided by a wing.

    As a good example my mate garys GT-R gains something like 3mph by removing the stock GT-R wing.
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