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    Hi Guys,

    I have just started on the convertible again. I've added a couple of before and after shots of one of the rusty sills you can see some of the box section chassis she's had attached. I'm about to pay $1200 + GST to get all the rust I've cut out welded up, I'll be doing the major sanding work and priming of the car. A friends workshop will do the colour finishing coats for free but he doesn't want to know about the rust work.

    Do you think $1200 is reasonable? there is about 3 days of work for a panelbeater to do.

    I have the V8 and supra 5 speed ready to go in, a 300zx r230 lsd, brakes, suspension and cradle. Although at the moment I only have a R31 front crossmember, suspension, brakes, rack and pinion steering for the front end and at 5 turns lock to lock I'm not to keen on using it but I suppose i have accepted it. It's costing me $3k to get a engineer to put all of this in plus a little extra chassis strengething before approving it for rego.

    Any info on the costings would be appreciated.
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    what sort of strengthening are you doing? would love to see some pics of teh diff in
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    I'd like to strengthen the point where the chassis rails meet the firewall inside the engine bay. All the strengthening so far has been from the firewall back (see pics).

    When all the engineering work has been finished I'll post photos of the diff, etc.
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    What do you think of the costs I mentioned?

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    Not sure about your specifics, but is you are talking about three eight hour days, your time estimate is accurate, he is not using premade parts, and does excellent work, that comes out to $1200/24 hours.
    or $50 and hour-I reckon that sounds pretty good-for this side of the pond!
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    Thanks Will, I was pretty happy with both prices as there's 10 places in total to be welded up and as you mentioned, the making up of all the parts.

    Let's face it if I tried to get the rust done any cheaper it would probably be a ****house job and rust again in 2 years.

    I'm undecided about getting Lambo doors or Suicide doors for her at the moment. I'm leaning towards Lambo doors as they look easier to install.

    What do you all think?

    P.s it's also having a v8 style strut brace added and steel tubing going from the bottom of the A pillar to mid way up what's left of the B pillar on both sides. That's about it for strengthening.
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    it will certainly be an interesting car when it is finished! good on you for being original!

    i never liked suicide doors, but i would imagine they would be easier to install woudn't they?
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    The hinges would have to be moved to a place where hinges weren't designed to be... so dunno. I think scissor doors would be better anyway, if you have to have one...

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    Scissor doors are easier to fit as you don't have to relocate the door locking mechanism but they cost twice as much.

    I kinda figured it would be a shame not to modify the doors as most other things on the car are or will be changed eventually and it's not really that big an exercise to fit the scissors.

    I pulled the engine out on the weekend, its up for sale if anyone is interested. I will put it on ebay soonish if no one wants it.

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    was running webber two barrel car but has twin su manifold as well.

    Head gasket was replaced 8000kms ago
    pulled 195kmh but ran out of road had 200 in it,
    clutch is on the way out but still drives with out slipping.

    I put up a picture of the speedo while I had both back wheels in the air and floored it, it wound off the clock but I missed the shot. I guess it was doing somewhere near 270km. I couldn't do it again as a retread had started to delaminate. lol.

    The other is a centrifugal blower I have sitting around, it will get put on after I stroke the v8 to a 390cu in. I'm hoping someone in Australia starts selling kits to convert you car to run on hydrogen before this happens.
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    got any good pics of the roof up? would be interesting to see how you got that to work..

    it sure looks good with the roof down.. the C110 shape lends well to a vert!
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    Funny you should ask that as I try to advoid shots with the roof up as I have a really **** roof. I can't find one photo of the roof up out of about 300 shots

    I'll make the effort to get one for you though. The roof was made really cheaply and is on the list of things to replace but is about the 3rd last.

    Give me a couple of days to put it back together and I'll post it on this thread but no one is allowed to tell me how crap it looks.

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    yeah.. i could imagine it would be a little complex to build.. especially given the size of the cabin ( i have a saab convertible, and it amazes me how something that big folds up with all the ribs etc.)
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    Photo's as promised.

    As you can see it's a very simple cheap roof, a far cry from your Saab. At least I can use it for a template to get a nice one made up. The whole thing is just clipped on around the sides, a few screws and clips along the boot line and 2 screws per side of the support beams.

    The roof when down was either left behind for the day or just thrown into the back seat, if I had friends in the back it could be rolled up and sat on the rear parcel shelf.

    A powered roof for her is the thing of dreams.

    I've checked out the Saab ones and can only wish
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    Well, you need to get a "proper" top made up for this great project. Maybe you can find a donor car with similar dimensions. It doesn't actually look crappy, it's just worn and old. Good luck!
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    Miles, I was thinking along the same lines-If a replacement top could be found of roughly the same dimensions from a parts catalogue (JC whitney, perhaps), it could be adapted to the "new" car.
    240K...-what is the distance from the B to C pillar, and the width from corner to corner?
    Surely there is something close in size.
    At least you have a working template for the time being.
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    Gotta find one of those old Saabs Kent was talking about... don't think anything else would be quite long enough!

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    maybe an old 900 convertible? i think they are the oldest saab's i can remember in convertible.. i certainly can't think of any other 4 seater convertibles that would be available in a scrap yard (probably best to try and get a cheap 900 out of the paper just for the roof?
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    Hey who needs a roof anyway

    There are so many things to do to the car before the roof that I'll just get new zip out windows put into the roof (cost $220 from mate) and keep using the old one to begin with.

    What would rather see on her, an automatic roof or a supercharger? Anyway it never gets driven with the roof up! it's just not right.
    Thanks for the tips though, would the Saab roof be able to fold onto the rear parcel shelf? I don't really want to cut anymore of her apart.

    What I do desperately need is new rubbers for EVERYTHING (except rear windows), window strips, new glass, bottom of windscreen driver side chrome strip - i bent mine, original fuel chrome filler cap- mines in the boot, Any help with these would be greatly appreciated.

    I did a measured up on the engine and to get the front cylinders of the V8 in line with the axel line, a fair chunk of the firewall will dissappear. It's only the heater radiator assembly that will be lost though so no biggie. We all know that for this car to not handle like a pig I need all the weight behind the front wheels.

    It's booked in for the engineering/panelshop work to be carried out in 6 weeks time. I can't stop thinking about it, I'm like a little kid who's waiting for Santa to come.

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    I finally found one of the Kenmeri commercials

    http://www.6park.com/enter7/messages/21094.html

    I must say I found it quite amusing and damn isn't that Skyline so goooooooooooooooood looking.

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    Yeah that video is on YouTube - pretty cool stuff Actually there are quite a lot of car advertisements there. Some pretty funky ones

    I just bought a CD that was described as full of old Skyline commercials...... cost me a pretty penny but hopefully it is good. Watch this space

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    i know exactly how you feel just watch your pockets.. money has a tendency to dissapear easily when you get carried away!


    yeah the 900 convertible's roof folds onto the back shelf.

    i have bought a few rubber kits from rarespares.net none, have been fitted yet, but they look pretty good, and a complete list of rubbers (though since you don't have top door seals, you may be better off buying them individually from rarespares.net..
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    Rare spares nice I'll call them now, thanks Kent

    I'm willing to contribute to the cost of that CD if your willing to send me a copy. As everyday passes I become more and more obsessed with classic Skylines.

    As soon as my convertible is finished I'll have room for another. I'm after a
    C10 as my next one (hey dream believer) or one of those Prince Skylines that came out here in the 60's.

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    yeah, i would love a C10 too.. but chances of finding one in australia is pretty slim.. i guess it is similar to the probs the yanks have.. if you want one you have to find one and import it.. i would n't like to think how much that would cost for a std hardtop..
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    You'd have to have the coupe though or it just wouldn't look right next to our C110 coupes.

    Does anyone know anyone who actually has one in Australia?

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    I've attached a couple more shot of the sill. They were full of rust on the inside but still hadn't shown through. Why can't cars rust from the outside in!! how easy would it be to fix then.

    As you can see I had to get rid of the whole sill, lucky for me the new steel box section was hardly touched and the rust hadn't gone to far up into the body.

    There is 2 lunchbox size hollow box sections under the floor near each door with a whole big enough to put your finger in, mine are totally full of rust. It's the last bit of grinding I think I have to do.
    If anyone can direct me to any hidden spots which rust out on them, I'd really like to hear from you as I want this car to be rust free for the next ten years at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 240kconvertible
    You'd have to have the coupe though or it just wouldn't look right next to our C110 coupes.

    Does anyone know anyone who actually has one in Australia?
    Geez 'Drew! I didn't mean to "hide my light under a bushel"
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    To quote Cleveland from family guy: Oh, that's nasty!

    (I was talking about the picture of the rust, not what you said Jim )
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    Quote Originally Posted by 240kconvertible
    You'd have to have the coupe though or it just wouldn't look right next to our C110 coupes.

    Does anyone know anyone who actually has one in Australia?
    C10? Theres one in Perth. - its for sale, if you have a spare $30 grand.
    http://www.c-red.com.au/stock/kgc10/index.shtml

    Also aarc240 (or whatever his moniker is) said there was a C10 coupe in a Dealer showroom back in the 70's (somwhere in SA i think he said), so if its still around, thats another.
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    Art also said the car is now in Germany For what it's worth!

    There's another in Sydney, and one more in Melbourne. That makes four... any others Jim?

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    • 2 KGC10 GT-X GT-R lookalikes in Sydney
    • 2 KGC10 GT-X in Victoria
    • ..and the blue KGC10 in WA

    ...Oh, and a four door '68-9 model rumoured to be in Tasmania. More likely this was a Super Six or a Cedric or something in that line as they were imported here and bear a passing resemblance to the C10 sedan.

    There may be others lurking. At the Z cars concours last Sunday a Nissan literate type person was looking over my car and said he saw one recently at a dyno performance place in Brookvale. a customers car delivered on a trailer... in race trim! I suspect it being in race trim may have been something similar in shape...but who knows?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 240kconvertible
    You'd have to have the coupe though or it just wouldn't look right next to our C110 coupes.

    Does anyone know anyone who actually has one in Australia?
    KGC10 coupes are nice, but most of them have been butchered here in Japan. If you don't mind the challenge of fixing someone else's destructive habits, it's worth a shot. The last one I looked at had mis-matched front seats (passenger: stock; driver: racing), L28, triple webbers, unknown and very loud exhaust system, lowered suspension, and a lot of rust.

    The 4 doors lived a much better life, having more likely been family cars. Mine came with exhaust and wheels as the only modifications, rust free body, and a recent re-spray.

    Quote Originally Posted by khughes
    yeah, i would love a C10 too.. but chances of finding one in australia is pretty slim.. i guess it is similar to the probs the yanks have.. if you want one you have to find one and import it.. i would n't like to think how much that would cost for a std hardtop..
    You could probably get a feel for the shipping charges by talking the the guys thaat import the R33s into OZ. But you're right, FINDING the car is the difficult part. It took me over a year to get mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by g72s20
    Geez 'Drew! I didn't mean to "hide my light under a bushel"
    Jim.
    HA ha it's good to know they're out there somewhere in Australia, I must admit I'm very jealous. What would you sell it for if you actually wanted to sell it?

    That one in the link for 30k seems to back up what your saying about them being hacked up Miles. Although a hacked up, rusty C10 at the moment would look right at home next to my C110

    On another note, the GTS-T R34's are getting quite cheap these days, I'd have to think long and hard about dropping 30k on a C10 instead of one of those beasties.

    I'm getting a friend to bring down an industrial sandblaster this weekend and I'm hiring out a diesel powered trailer generator to run it, I'm hoping to blast the whole body and spray it in one weekend with the help of two mates.
    I'll post pic's of how it goes.

    Also A friend has found A C110 Coupe at a wreckers in Newcastle NSW that has a roll cage fitted to it. I'm trying to get him to go and take photo's of it but no luck so far. I'll keep at him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 240kconvertible
    That one in the link for 30k seems to back up what your saying about them being hacked up Miles. Although a hacked up, rusty C10 at the moment would look right at home next to my C110
    For 30k, it's not worth it. The body mods are not period correct. The interior is not in line with the body mods. The engine looks like a good one, but who knows what's been done to it. I hate to admit it, but this car looks more like a bosozoku car . . . . . .
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    I totally agree Miles, it looks well thrashed. Someone has had a lot of fun in it.

    I'd drop 25k on a really nice one if I had the spare cash

    I did like the standard brake booster on it, you'd think they'd upgrade that being a race shop and all. I didn't like my brakes on the K, they would fade and weren't very good at stopping the car at all. That booster is so small I swear it takes power away from the brakes.

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    yeah that C-Red one certainly isn't worth $30k! or if it is Jims is worth over $100k

    i am upgrading my booster to a 10" with a 1" Master Cylinder out of a DR30 skyline...

    i do have brand new (apparently reco'd, but there are no bore marks and it looks new!, i only assume it is reco'd as the box says so, but it could be just a different box) 15/16" M/C if anyone is interested.. apparently they are rare and hard to get (SWR was very surprised i got one!).. not cheap though

    It would certainly make pedal feel better.. although it has the outlets on the left instead of the right, so the brake lines may need to be carefully bent around to the other side to make it fit (no biggy though).
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    I have a R31 booster sitting in the garage to be used with the r31 front crossmember, steering etc etc.

    I'm seriously looking into getting an R33 front end to replace the R31 one though. The reason being that I can't bring myself to put in a steering rack with 5 turns lock to lock, I have a guy willing to sell me the whole R33 setup including brakes and rims just not including the power steering pump for $350.

    How many turns lock to lock is the R33? The seller couldn't tell me.

    Is this master cylinder your selling better than standard R33/R31 ones? I'd be interested in any parts anyone has to sell that will make my car handle or stop better. I need a reciept with them though as I'm claiming my C110 build on tax, I get 15k a year car allowance which has to be spent on cars.........damn.

    I stung the tax office for a 8k return this year, I'm waiting for the Audit now and yes I'm spending every cent of it on the C110.

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    i don't think you can use the newer master cylinders as they are setup for ABS.. not sure how this affects the booster, but i think the newer boosters have a different m/c mounting config, so i am not sure you would get them to fit..

    i would be cautious trying to mix the newer stuff in.. but maybe lookup the front track widths of the R33 vs R31 vs C110? i didn't have a gtst so i can't help much i am afraid.. never spent any time under a gtst
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    Quote Originally Posted by khughes
    i would be cautious trying to mix the newer stuff in..
    Your totally right there, that's how you set yourself up to spend a lot of money. I should stop whining and accept the R31 for the time being get the C110 on the road and ugrade it later.

    I'd like to highjack this thread to post a photo of a hottie I picked up last night. I thought she was 28 last night but found out she's 38 today How good is alcohol. I'm 26 by the way.

    If anyone else picked up on the weekend feel free to post pic's.
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    i like that post. nice rear quarters there. great job on that body work..

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    The engineer I had booked in for my conversion work has put me on a 3-4month waiting list, I can't blame him though as I've told him it would be in ages ago.

    Does anyone know any good engineers in Sydney? that aren't booked up for ages.

    I'm nearly ready to get it all put in, I have all the cash just have to wait for the panel beaters to weld up the rust holes and then primer it. I really want it on the road in early feb and this has kinda ruined that plan.

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    your best bet is to find the list of approved engineers off the rta website (it is a pdf in the ADR section i think) and ring every one of them..

    let me know your experience with however you choose.. i will need to get off my ass and start talking to an engineer soon
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    So far it hasn't gone too well, the three other engineers I have contacted all have about a three month waiting list.

    Make sure you give them heaps of time or you'll end up like me having to wait to get it done. I dopn't think mine will be on the road now until late May

    I'm meeting with 2 of them next week so will keep you updated, all 3 of them aren't too impressed with what I want to pay so I may just end up going with the original engineer.
    I'm making the engineer put it in writing that all four wheels will be in the right position (lined up straight and checked at the wheel aligners) or they won't get paid. All of them weren't too happy about this but agreed it was fair enough. Apparently no one ever asks for this.

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    if they are strenthening existing areas, why would it affect alignment? i assume they are not playing with the suspension too?
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    The engineer has to put the whole 300zx rear diff, suspension and brake assembly in as well as the front crossmember from a R31.

    As it's all getting changed I want it in writing that it will all be perfectly straight when finished.

    Do you think I'm being a bit of a wank about this? my mates kinda do!

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    not at all.. i am ultra cautious about stuff like that...

    put it this way... my "friend" who was supposidly experienced in engine conversions, made a gearbox cross member which was mounted to my car by bolting 4 bolt through the floorpan (with 2 metal plates to stop it ripping through)... his previous attempt (which i also found unacceptable), was to have the gearbox xmember sitting 15cm off the ground....

    neither of these are acceptable to me, let alone if an engineer actually tried to inspect the car.. and when i complained about it (having paid him $2k for engine mounts, gearbox and diff mount), he started carrying on that i was too picky and fussy.. that really annoys me seeing as i am no expert, but it was obvious that things were not right...

    it cost me another $2000 to get them all (except the engine mounts) redone properly by somebody else.. i guess my lesson is don't get a friend to do things for you on the cheap.. it costs you in the long run (and it saves the conflict of having to argue with a "friend" about their pride and quality of work)..

    be as anal as you can.. your friends or the engineer doesn't have to live with the effects of a bad job..
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    I agree Kent, I'll stick with being anal and insist on having it in writing.

    Sadly though I won't be able to even get mine into the engineers until early april now as I have to spend my hard saved cash to import my bro's 2003 M3 into the country. I have to buy it now and leave it over there till March after which he will have owned it for a year and can import it as his personal vehicle. I'm landing it for 35k approx

    I have to sell it straight away as no insurance company will cover me in it as I've lost my licence twice from speeding now. I can't risk anything happening to it.

    So now my C110 will sit in primer surrounded by it's parts for the next 5 months and the car I've spent my cash on I don't even get to drive I'm guessing that it will be on the road later in the year as winter hits now. Perfect timing for a convertible to be released into the wild.

    The good news is that I will have more than enough money to finish her properly now, instead of buying half the required parts and putting it back on the road half finished.

    Also I now have a workshop manual for the C110 if anyone desperately needs any pages emailed to them pm me.

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    that is such a shame, the M3 would be a nice car to drive (though personally i would spring for an RS4 or M5 )

    what country is your brother in? europe?
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    He's in England,

    Funny you should mention the RS4 as he nearly bought one instead of the M3. The reason he went for the M3 was that he really wanted the RS6 Advant but couldn't afford it. The M3 was stolen and then recovered later that same day, I now have to buy it from the insurance company in my Bros name and then wait till March to get it here. If it wasn't stolen I would have just bought it in March instead, 1 plus is I save about 10k aus on the purchase price now.

    He's looking into getting an AMG SL55, TVR Chimera, Porsche GT3 or some form of 911 to replace the tainted M3, whichever he buys you can be sure I'll bring it out here one day in a couple of years. He's quite high up in DHL and has to have some serious weaponary for the corporate carpark.

    Who wouldn't want a twin turbo V8 wagon from the factory anyway
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    hmm.. they look strangely like WMD's from iraq.. and you say he is in the import/export market.. interesting...

    if he can prove he owned it previously, would customs necessarily know that the car had a little hiatus under a different legal owner?

    i certainly have a new found respect for 911's after being in a turbo around the nurburgring, it left my boosted R33 GT-R for dead!, how about an M6 or even a DB7/9 (now that is a car i would really really love to own)
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    Quote Originally Posted by khughes

    if he can prove he owned it previously, would customs necessarily know that the car had a little hiatus under a different legal owner?

    i certainly have a new found respect for 911's after being in a turbo around the nurburgring, it left my boosted R33 GT-R for dead!, how about an M6 or even a DB7/9 (now that is a car i would really really love to own)

    I too thought about pulling the wool over customs eyes but for the sake of a 5 months it isn't worth it, if anything were to go wrong I'd hate to think where it may end. I can still collect parts along the way for the vert so my "Datsun 240k GL" fetish will still be appeased, in fact my current quest is searching for the coupe door window chrome trims I can't find anyone who will sell them.

    He's leaning towards the 911 then the SL at the moment but changes his mind daily, can't have the M6 as just had the bmw. He lives in little Aston and Aston Martin's are dime a dozen as well as Bentley's. I call it little Astonmartinville. My favourite Aston is the new Vanquish. pic attached
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    Quote Originally Posted by khughes
    hmm.. they look strangely like WMD's from iraq..
    That's where Saddam hid them the whole time. Just think if they had searched the boot we would have a valid reason for invading another country.

    Anyway the picture didn't come up i'll try again.

    you'll like the Porsche vs Nissan one
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    Picture of the Vanquish won't show up, we all know how good they are anyway.

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    thay are such an amazing looking car!! now i just have to wait for their value to drop here.. or start saving and go live in the UK for a year (not such a bad idea really) i would be interested in how it goes bringing the M3 across, make sure you keep me informed
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    Check this link if your interested in importing cars

    http://www.dotars.gov.au/transport/s...ting.aspx#5.06

    go down to this section and read on

    5. Personal Imports - Part 8 on Application Form

    it's an easy way to avoid a few taxes bringing a car into the country. You can sell them after having them in the country for a day. I'll be landing it for about 35k max, I have to get a lot of the interior replaced as the thieves ruined it looking for the tracker. They thought the sat nav was it.

    I'll be doing the big sand blast and primer of the shell shortly, found even more rust at the bottom of the chassis rails where they turn into small boxes under the front seats. I'm fairly certain that this is the last spot I will have to fix.

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    good work, let me know who you get to paint the thing (and how much), i am scared to find out at the moment how much it will cost me to get it all painted..
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    Yeah you don't want to know how much it cost to paint them, are you taking your shell back to metal?

    I did a short list for you but ended up posting it on another thread, i'm sure you'll read it.

    www.pistonheads.tv/clip1077

    check this link you'll be able to see "my" M3 briefly in it. I liked the Lambo spitting flames in the tunnel shame about the smoke it's blowing though. My bro went on a cannonball run to a French Chateu.The M3, mx5 (why this was there I don't know) and the Evo we're the only ones to get through a roadblock that was set up for them. Everyone else had to pay 600 euro on the spot or have their car impounded.

    Robin said when it came to cornering at 110mph his M3 was somewhat lacking compared to the others. Oh and also the Evo was the quickest there on the day. It was a FQ400 souped up.

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