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    Default Demand for correct 240z Bumpers

    I have started a conversation with the seller of the stainless bumpers that can be purchased on Ebay as well as a few other parts sites. I have asked what it would take to produce a set that included the bumperettes and associated rubber that goes over them. I have not seen the SS bumpers first hand but I have seen pics online and they look pretty good. What I am curious about is what demand is there for a true correct set of bumpers that were made of steel and chrome plated just like the originals. Nothing beats the look of chrome and I am doing some asking around to determine if enough were made could we get them made cheaper than a set of SS bumpers.
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    I have seen these bumpers and they do looked good on a Triumph. You can tell they are not chrome. The shine is different and the owner said they scratch easy too, but light scratches can be polished out. The bumpers are all made in Vietnam and these particular ones were sold in the UK, but you can pick them up just about antwhere.
    Some vendors have better contact with the factory and can arrange extras like bumperettes. The triumph guy have some minor mods done to his order. He just sent them a drawing of what he wanted.
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    Although not claiming to be an expert, is there some reason why you can't have the SS bumpers chromed? That would seem to be the best of both worlds.
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    I would be interested in correct chrome bumpers. Front and rear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 26th-Z View Post
    Although not claiming to be an expert, is there some reason why you can't have the SS bumpers chromed? That would seem to be the best of both worlds.
    No reason, but it just costs a lot more. We chrome SS304L and SS316L shafts to give the shaft a harder wear surface for our process equipment.
    Hard plating (chroming) SS is a little different than normal steel, but in general its the same process.
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    Posted by COZYE in February 2011
    I just ordered these bumpers from the Harrington Group http://www.groupharrington.com/en and they arrived Friday. Total time from order to arrival was 7 days. The communication from the sales guy (Thy) was super. There is a time difference as they are based in the UK and manufacture out of Thailand, however when I sent an email I had a reply the very next morning.

    The bumpers normally come like stock 240 bumpers with the rubbers installed and with the front license plate bracket, however I requested no rubbers, no holes, and no brackets. This was no problem and they indicated that they do custom request all the time.

    Anyway, I was very pleased with the bumpers. I've tested fitted them quickly and they will work perfectly. They are down in the basement now awaiting the completion of my bodywork, so I figured I would post up my review and pics of the bumpers. The light down there is pretty low so the pics arent the greatest, but they turned out great and the quality is good. They are very straight, no waves, and polished to a mirror finish.
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    Oops... never mind...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjohnson2444 View Post
    I would be interested in correct chrome bumpers. Front and rear.
    Why not just buy a good set of used bumpers and have them rechromed or Show Chromed? That way they would be "correct" and not reproductions? Are the repro's really that much less expensive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Beck View Post
    Why not just buy a good set of used bumpers and have them rechromed or Show Chromed? That way they would be "correct" and not reproductions? Are the repro's really that much less expensive?

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    While this is what I had done, I think at least domestically here in the U.S. the EPA has made the regulations such that the process has gotten too expensive to survive. I got a really good deal but I was having a conversation with a patient just before a procedure and I asked what he did, "Plating shop" he said, "Oh, we have to talk... when you wake up." 8)
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    I had the bumpers on my '73 rechromed locally here in Vancouver, BC. The was no rust and very little was required in terms of bending, etc...this covered the over rider bars and everything else to the tune of $1,800 and I still had to paint the back side to protect...I know there are places in the States like Denver Bumper who will do this work for a lot less money but I wanted to be able to deal locally in case something went sideways. It is true that the process has escalated incredibly over the years...but I'm very pleased with the results.

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    This is all great info and thank you for pics info regarding the SS bumpers. There is a chrome shop here in Austin that is said to have the tooling to straighten Z bumpers. Mine are black, straight, and just a little rust has formed where the paint was chipped off. The chrome shop holds bankers hours so it has been impossible to take my bumpers down there. Finding good ready to mount bumpers is getting next to impossible and the SS bumpers do make for a very nice option. If I could get a set made with new bumperettes and associated rubber strips. Since the company already makes bumpers I am going to inquiry about making some out of regular steel and seeing what connections they have to get them chrome plated or take them and have the plated here. I have seen stainless up close and it is very nice when its all polished out. However in my opinion nothing beats the look of chrome and that is what I really want.
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    06/1973 VW Karmann Ghia - Black convertible, 4spd, 1600cc air-cooled engine.
    11/2013 Scion FR-S - Silver, 6spd, a car with the soul of a Z for the modern times.
    Restoration thread of my old '72 240z -> http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/o...1972-240z.html

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    Hardway,

    I went through a similar exercise during the summer when I wanted to get the bumpers on my 74 1/2 260Z chromed and looked high and low in Austin to find a solid, reputable shop. The only one that I could locate was called Cen-Tex Plating and when I did a google on them, the reviews were mediocre at best. I was told their prices were reasonable but not to expect show quality chrome or longevity of the plating. Based on that I decided to look elsewhere and found a fabulous shop in Houston called Speed Sport Chrome (on Broadway in Houston if I remember correctly). They had a recommendation from Jay Leno on their site so I decided to give them a call and after talking to them directly, decided to also give them a try.

    I have the large early 280 bumpers on my model and went to heaven and back looking for the rubber bumper ends and center fillers and finally found NOS parts from a combination of Oliver at Z Specialities in Washington as well as Norm Murphy at Zeddsaver in Canada. They were on the pricey side but nothing close to the eBay seller from Houston who wants an arm and a leg for the ones that he carries. In any case after finding the new rubber pieces I definitely wanted a first class job on the rechrome and so that is wh atprompted me to look beyond the one shop that I had located here in Austin. Also, I was not able to source the rubber bumper pieces that bolted to each of the metal bumnpers themselves and so I decided to have the holes filled in and chromed over and the Houston shop had no issue with doing this for me.

    The job that Speed Sport Chrome did was nothing short of spectacular AND they guarantee them for life. If for any reason the chrome does not hold up I can bring them back to them at any time and they will re-chrome them for me for free. The person that I worked with there was named Kevin and he was great. Very helpful and straight forward. Apparently most of their business is done through the mail and he showed my numerous bumpers and other pieces that they had done and they all looked spectacular. I would highly recommend them if chroming your old bumpers is what you need to have done. They are also capable of taking out all of the dings and dents as well. I've attached a few pictures here so you can get an idea of the quality of their work, but frankly the pictures do not do the final job justice. I know that you are in Austin so I would welcome you to stop by to see my car first hand if you want to see the quality of their work.

    Hope this helps.

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    I have a set of excellent original chrome bumpers,and a set of harrington stainless bumpers.They look identical both in shape and shine sitting next to each other.

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    I had the set on my AVATAR chromed back in 2000. When i got them back I masked the outside surface and sprayed rubberized undercoating on the inside to protect against future cancer. To this date the outside finish remains as it was back in 2000 and the inside finish has no rust. Finind good bumperettes that can be removed without breaking the mounting stud is more of a problem than a good quality finish on the outside. I live in central Florida on the Atlantic ocean where the humidity and salt air even eats the roadways up. SPACECOAST PLATING (Melbourne Florida) are a reputable outfit. Expect at least 6 to 8 weeks turnaround time. My 2 cents
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    Thank you for the feedback and awesome pictures Mike. I have done business with Cen-Tex before to plate some engine pieces for a '89 Turbo Trans Am I had. Their work was good as well as the price. I will have to look in to Speed Sport Chrome when I get ready to have mine done. A good job would definitely be worth the trip.

    What I am really after is an opportunity to start getting bumpers made and provide a supply at reasonable prices for those who want the 240z style bumpers to put on their Z. I know the Euro style is very popular since it does not have the bumperettes but I want the bumperettes and I believe purists will to. I have nothing against SS but I would like find out what options are out there to have them made of steel and chrome plated, maybe off both! If that meant per se buying them done in steel along with their associated bumperettes and taking them to Houston for plating I would be open to it. Like any custom work in order to make it affordable a certain quantity would have to be established.
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    11/2013 Scion FR-S - Silver, 6spd, a car with the soul of a Z for the modern times.
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    Hardway,Came across some reproduction datsun 240z front bumbers w holes and w/o holes.That's ebaymotors australia. www.ebaymotors.com.au
    Type in" Datsun 240z front bumber" and they are listed offering the repro datsun 240z w holes and w/o holes 254.24 au w/o shipping but the ad says shipping worldwide,cost?
    Don't know the quality of the product or the plating,tripple plating?They've been selling these on ebay for quite some time.Maybe someone in Austrailia on this forum has purchased the front bumber can chime in on the quality and fitment.
    Hardway maybe you can pm them and inquire about reproducing the rear 3-piece 240z bumber w holes and w/o also?

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    Thank you for the info Eric. I emailed Rotary Phil about the bumpers and the possibility of making a 3 piece rear bumper along with the associated rubber strips and bumperettes. Once I hear from him and get some more info I will post my findings. I appreciate everyone's input on this and hope to move this forward. Stay tuned!
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    Just a quick update. I have not heard back from Rotary Phil yet in Australia. I did hear back from the Sales and Marketing Director at Group Harrington to see if they would consider making the over riders and rubber strips for them out of SS to make a correct US spec bumper package. I also have some feelers out to other contacts about the possibility of doing a run of bumpers and over riders here in the US. As I get more info back I will post it up.
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    Please keep looking into this - I need a front bumper for my 1973...

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    Remember, the 73 front bumper is different in size, mounting brackets and body to bumper filler pieces than the other years.

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    Mike W, Just curious, what did Speed Sport Chrome charge you to plate your 280Z bumpers? Also, do you happen to know what they charge to plate the '70 - '72 240Z bumpers? I'm sure that the 240Z bumpers must be a lot less since they are so much smaller and lighter. I know a lot of the members here with 280Zs have converted to the 240Z bumpers. I have been using Denver Bumper here in the Denver area for many years on my projects and like you with SSC, I have also been very happy with both their quality and their great service, so I'm curious to see what SSC charges.

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    Lately I quoted some Japanese classic car companies, also Rocky Auto, basically the answer I got back: " stock bumpers are made out of scrap metal with some chrome on it " .. that might be true, considering the total price of the car back in the days. The bumper from harrington are made in Vietnam ( now also Thailand I read ) for cheap peanuts. I also think there must be a company in China willing to make copies...for far less money.
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    I am sorry but I have not had time to pursue this any further with the Harrington Group. They had wanted me to measure the bumper-ettes I have but for accuracy sake I wanted to ship them a pair. While looking for some to buy and ship to them I picked up another set of chrome bumpers and really have not put anymore focus on this. I really wish there was an American company out there that could start reproducing more sheet metal and bumpers for our cars. Unfortunately, seeing that they stamp out repop panels for Chevelles and Camaros in China I don't see it happening anytime soon.
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    06/1973 VW Karmann Ghia - Black convertible, 4spd, 1600cc air-cooled engine.
    11/2013 Scion FR-S - Silver, 6spd, a car with the soul of a Z for the modern times.
    Restoration thread of my old '72 240z -> http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/o...1972-240z.html

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