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    Does anyone have a collection of photos of ALL the different Spoiler Types used on the S30 series and derivites up to 78?

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    I'm very interested in this request also! Factory option spoilers?
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    Me too...
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    quite a few om the MSA site, go check it out, the link is in the links section.

    www.motorsportauto.com i THINK

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    Unfortunatley, doesn't show the type I'm trying to replace.
    Someone mentioned the name stone guard, anyone with any further info?
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    Is this what you are looking for? This is Nissan 98300-E8100 and attaches to the under valance that has the captive nuts. A later model - perhaps 260Z or 280Z.
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    Another view
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    And the valance with captive nuts
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    26thZ,

    Is this still an available item/part number from Nissan?

    P.S. I'm always amazed at the wealth of knowledge produced by the folks on this site.

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    The photos of the spoiler came from an ebay listing. The piece sold for $350. I am still looking - perhaps Japan - which means it is REALLY expensive. I don't know if it is appropriate for my car, which is why I have not looked in to this further. I prefer the BRE style with the brake ducts myself, and I know it's not appropriate for my car!

    The E8100 suffix would indicate the part is intended for 260/280 series, however that could also be a supersceeded suffix - easily with Datsun.

    I could use some knowledge about the application of this part.
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    This is close , the difference is there is no holding clips, the fibreglass just continues [flows] back alond the front apron so the spoiler when looked at from below is "V "shaped, one vee being the mount to the apron.

    Second difference is the dimple in the nose. The one I'm trying to replace has no dimple.

    Thanks a lot for your help, any idea of it's actual name?

    Maybe someone else can chime in here with further info as we are getting very...close.
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    Here's the link to MSA's 70-74 air dam page Mike, they might have some different ones if you try the body kit page as well. Those would probably be the Kaminari's and Xenon's though.
    I kinda like the fiberglass valence with the small lip at the bottom, less likely to get hit on something and crack it as it doesn't sit quite as low....

    Take yer pick.....

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    Thanks for the link, I had a pretty thorough look thru it with no luck.
    The spoiler that 26th spotted is the closest I've seen.
    After a bit of thought I'm pretty convinced it would be a Ozzie AM spoiler produced by a company called Alpha Fibreglass.
    With the attachment to the front apron being more in the style of a BodyKit rather than a replacement for the apron, it suggests AM.

    Any one down here that has any more details, last I heard was that 1 owner got locked up and the other headed north!
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    Originally posted by Zedrally
    Unfortunatley, doesn't show the type I'm trying to replace.
    Someone mentioned the name stone guard, anyone with any further info?
    You got a pic of the one you are trying to replace? even if it is broken, it will still give us an idea what you are looking for.


    Does it bolt to the apron? or replace it completely.

    Sounds like the non vented BRE Spook spoiler
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    Hi C,
    Sorry no photo and nothing left of the original.
    The best I can describe is it's very similar to the on 26th posted less the dimple in the nose and bolt to the apron rather than replacing it.

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    Default standard?

    I think these are close to 'factory' standard... I'd like to get hold of something similar:

    http://www.classiczcars.com/photopos...t=7&thecat=500


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    Hi halz,
    It's pretty close, then again without seeing it front on it's difficult to see if it has the dimple?
    Any idea as to it's name?
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    Is this the one you mean?

    Its the BRE Spook style, no vents.

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    I used to have one on my old 240z. It attaches to the apron with screws.
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    I've emailed the owner of the car to discover if he fitted the front/rear spoilers himself...and if so, where did he get them. I'll keep you posted.
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    God that took hours to downlod.....
    No, that's notthe one either.
    Front extends to far and sides are straight.

    Anyway at least where getting all the spoilers into one thread!

    [all except the one I need]........
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    Default European spoiler

    The pictures that 26thZ posted are of the Factory "Euro" spoiler and its dedicated front valance panel. The corner valance panels were also fitted with captives when this spoiler was fitted as standard equipment.

    They came on all but the very first of the UK-market HS30 cars, and continued through the RS30 models. The Factory parts lists describe it as a "Europe" model part, and I know that other countries apart from the UK had them - but I'm not 100% sure if it was all of them. Certainly the UK models had the spoiler from early 1971. I know there were subtle differences across the years of production, but essentially they stayed the same.

    Factory parts list description called it "98300-E8100 ASSY-FRONT AIR SPOILER". I've scanned some pages from the parts lists so that you can see how they showed it. I've also scanned the pages that describe the companion Valance panels, which you will see have superceding numbers too.

    The spoiler was made from an expanded Urethane foam material, with the steel mounting brackets cast into it. It looks like rubber and has a smooth outer surface, but when you cut into it you see small bubbles in the material. The problem ( especially for the UK and its weather ) was that the cast-in brackets tended to go rusty and swell up inside the body of the spoiler, and eventually cracked it. Apart from that, the Urethane became brittle over time and started to contract and expand - making it look a funny shape.

    They are fairly hard to find in good used condition, and I believe that NOS items that anybody has tucked away are now going to start commanding higher prices. I have friends in Japan who have asked me for these spoilers in the past and supply here in the UK has just about dried up. I have not seen a new one for ages.

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    Here's a scan of the parts list that shows the Valance ( "ASSY-FRONT APRON" ) part numbers:
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    And here's the page that shows the listing for the spoiler. That's it right at the bottom of the page:
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    Thanks, Alan. I just found a valance with the captive nuts.
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    No problem.

    If you are going to use that Valance with the captive nuts as the Factory intended, then you will need to use the Quarter Valance panels as well - as they also have captives for the Spoiler in them.

    We have LOTS of rusty ones here in the UK if you are interested

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    I dont like the look of those euro style spoilers. Think the front end looks better without them.
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    That's why they are called 'spoilers'.................

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    Heres my new Spoiler/Air dam:
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    Thanks everyone for all your help.
    I never realised that there where so many devoloped over the years.
    I went digging for photo's of the zed last night and found these 3.
    This is what I need to replace!
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    Default Another angle

    From a differnt side.
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    Last One.
    Does it help anyone?
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    All I can say is, I don't remember ever seeing one like that in the US... looks like it's shaped like a "spook", just longer.
    Must be something made in Australia.... or Japan?
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    How about this one ?

    It looks a lot like it to me, however as far as I know, it also replaces the left and right and middle lower valence, so as just to give the apperence of the type that bolts on...

    https://www.internetsecureserver.com/mjpauto/p76.html


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    Mr C, where did you get that spoiler from?
    I'm after that style for my car.

    Thanks Al.

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    Zedrally, where in australia are you? if you're in Melb i might be able to help!

    The 'spook' style front spoiler that Zworx in mordialloc have is very similar to that!

    http://www.classiczcars.com/photopos.../3389meZED.jpg

    they look like that and come in black.. my previous Z had it just plain black and it looked sorta tough!

    Not sure if it's exactly what you're looking for, but thought i'd see if i could help!

    to find Zworx, just search www.whitepages.com.au

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    Originally posted by Alan Pugh
    Mr C, where did you get that spoiler from?
    I'm after that style for my car.

    Thanks Al.
    Hi Alan

    I bought it second hand from a guy that was going to put it on his 260z 2 seater, but his car had been in an accident and the front of the car isn't very well aligned, and he couldnt make it fit propperly.

    He got it from "the spoiler shop" in perth, but i think they get them from over east.

    They are pretty common you should be able to find one near you.
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    Default That's the one!

    Originally posted by aRCH-Z

    http://www.classiczcars.com/photopos.../3389meZED.jpg

    they look like that and come in black.. my previous Z had it just plain black and it looked sorta tough!

    Fantastic, the power of the club has been proven again.
    Not only have we started a thread and condensed an amazing amount of information on 1 piece of equipement, I've also been able to locate the supplier.

    aRCH-Z, many thanks again, I'll head past Zworx tomorrow for a price.

    PS. I had thought of spraying it black this time!
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