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    Default Daves NEW Start/Stop Button Ignition System.

    OK, so you all know I like to try and come up with something New into something old. I've noticed a lot of people trying to come up with a Push Button Start for their S30. The others want to use the Newer Maxima / Altima Start/Stop button. The problem has been that they still have to use the key to turn on the ignition, Cut up the wiring, Drill holes or have to make specialty brackets, etc, etc and sometimes with bad results. Such as wire fires, car won't start, electrical issues, starter won't shut off, and on and on it goes.

    So after researching every ones issues with the typical DIY installs, I called a friend and we designed a unit that does what it's supposed to do. This kit uses the Nissan Maxima Start/Stop Button, All functions of the button were retained (Lock, Acc, On and center button LED's work like normal) PLUGS INTO THE DATSUN IGNITION CONNECTOR!! External relays that are easily reached and replaceable if needed, A Start circuit box that is simple to install and only requires 1) connection from the button switch, 1) connection from the relay pack and ONLY 3) wires of the 6 wires need to be connected for full operation. The remaining 3 wires are optional, as is the Plug in Security Switch, which is very small and easily hidden within 3 Ft of the box.

    We've decided, after adding the price of all the parts, assembly, shipping and such, and Trying to keep it Very Competetive with other similar products and prices, The $170 w/ shipping included in the price, anywhere in the lower 48 States, was a more than fair price. For a "Plug and Play" unit, Made for the 240Z but compatible with MANY other vehicles, $170 is a Great price.

    The Nissan Push to start/Stop button will go where your Keyed ignition presently resides. The hole only needs to be widened about 1/16" and 2 slots be dremeled into the shell to lock it in the correct angle. (so the button doesn't twist in the hole) The Ignition switch Will Obviously need to be removed and the owner will not have a Locking steering column afterwards.

    Some of you will raise the concern of Security with a system like this. Totally understandable and is dealt with in a couple ways. If you already have an Aftermarket security system (Car Alarm) Almost all of them have a starter kill wire called a "Ground Output when Armed" and it is typically Orange in color. When the aftermarket alarm is "Armed" the Orange wire will have a Negative Ground output, which when connected to the Orange "Disengage" wire of the Start box, will stop all functions of the switch and circuitry.

    The other Security Option is a Simple Plug-In Micro switch. It plugs right into the Start box, has 3 feet of wire and is easily hidden within reach of the owner. It can be mounted in the center console, dash mounted, hidden in plain sight among other switches.

    So in conclusion. You can instal a Nissan Maxima Start/stop Ignition button into your S30 or other Datsuns. It will operate very similar to the Maxima. There are Security options. Only a few connections and a minimum of 3 wires to connect. The switch installs with minimal effort where your existing keyed ignition switch is. No more forgetting your keys in the ignition. Just unlock the door, put your keys back in your pocket.

    After more research, I have found only a few similar products. They are Complicated, Not made specifically for your S30, Way more expensive and include a manual that tells you to ONLY have a Certified Automotive 12 volt Specialist instal their product into your car. If you know how to use a Dremel, know where the brake pedal switch is and how to follow a wire from the distributor to the coil's Positive terminal, connect a wire to it and run it in thru the firewall to the steering column area and plug in matching connectors, Then you can do this in less than an afternoon.

    Below are some pictures and a video of the first run. The operations have been changed to more resemble the Maxima operation.
    press once to turn on the Acc.
    press again and it shuts back off.
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    Press once to turn on Acc.
    Press and hold the brake pedal then press and hold the Start button until the car starts.
    Press the button again to shut the car off. leave the car.

    Car will not start unless the brake pedal is being pressed while pressing the button. if the pedal is not pressed the pressing of the button will only shut the Acc back off.

    I'll answer what ever questions you have.

    http://video.cardomain.com/VideoPlayer.aspx?id=2202506

    The last picture is of the Instal Diagram that will be in the Instal Manual that comes with the kit.
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    Well let me be the first to say, very cool. As always looks well thought out. Dave, your contributions to this community never cease to amaze.
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    Thanks Tristan. I try.
    I actually wrote this thread to get an idea of any interest in this type of product.
    Does $170 (with shipping included) Sound like an ideal, reasonable price for a Plug and Play kit? A full kit that has Everything you need to be Keyless, Push Button Ignition, with built in security features and only requires 3 connections and 3 wires to be connected for a fully operational unit (and of coarse, dremeling 1/16" of the plastic steering column shell)

    So let's here it guys. Would you be interested at this price? Nothing is built except for the 2 prototypes, one of which is fully operational and in my daily driven 240Z, for about 3 weeks now) I'm considering a run of 20 to keep the price down and would like to do Pre-Orders to Make sure costs are covered and the first come first served idea of the R/T mounts works for those who are interested.

    PM or Email me if you are interested. wolfin32z@yahoo.com
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    For me this is not an option,as I do not want to modify my mostly all stock car, but I must say your ingenuity is outstanding. If I was building a modified street Z,I would definitely buy this. VERY cool feature!
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    will this work on the 280z??

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    That is a really cool application. I just might have to replace my Mobile1 oil cap starter knob for this. BTW, $170 is a very fair price for technology of this sort. IMHO.

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    Very cool, Dave! It's a beautiful install. I think the PERFECT system would also have some sort of transponder for security. I think some security systems have digital transponders that enable the ignition when the driver sits in the car. That would be the ultimate package.

    I can see how a lot of people would want to do this mod, and I think the $170 price is reasonable. Not my cup of tea, though. I'm old fashioned, and I enjoy turning the key. Maybe someday everyone will have remote control and pushbutton starting, and then my key ignition will gain a bit more of a unique "cool" factor -- sort of like the genuine hand crank windows.
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    very slick and clean looking could do away with keys all together. a bit new age for my taste but I am sure with your proven track record you could sell a bunch of these especially over on hybridz
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedyone_kenobi View Post
    For me this is not an option,as I do not want to modify my mostly all stock car, but I must say your ingenuity is outstanding. If I was building a modified street Z,I would definitely buy this. VERY cool feature!
    You're right, not an option for everyone but thanks for the compliment.

    Quote Originally Posted by az240z View Post
    will this work on the 280z??
    Yes. As long as your ignition plug is like every other S30
    (2 rows of 3) 6-pin connector just like the one pictured below. Most plugs are identical with the exception of the green wire. If you don't have a Ballast resistor, then you won't likely have the green colored wire. And it will still work on your 280Z. If your wires are in the same order then you're good.

    Quote Originally Posted by cygnusx1 View Post
    That is a really cool application. I just might have to replace my Mobile1 oil cap starter knob for this. BTW, $170 is a very fair price for technology of this sort. IMHO.

    I don't know, that cap is kinda cool. You sure you wanna replace it? Just kiddin. It'll replace the cap just fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by FastWoman View Post
    Very cool, Dave! It's a beautiful install. I think the PERFECT system would also have some sort of transponder for security. I think some security systems have digital transponders that enable the ignition when the driver sits in the car. That would be the ultimate package.

    I can see how a lot of people would want to do this mod, and I think the $170 price is reasonable. Not my cup of tea, though. I'm old fashioned, and I enjoy turning the key. Maybe someday everyone will have remote control and pushbutton starting, and then my key ignition will gain a bit more of a unique "cool" factor -- sort of like the genuine hand crank windows.
    It definately has a "Cool Factor"
    Transponders are pricey at the moment and most of the cheaper ones only have a 5" range. Which means the keys have to be placed right next to the receiver in order to work. We're looking into this as well, hopefully a 5 foot range for those with power door locks. And the ease of "As long as the keys are on your person, it'll work"

    Quote Originally Posted by KAL7467 View Post
    very slick and clean looking could do away with keys all together. a bit new age for my taste but I am sure with your proven track record you could sell a bunch of these especially over on hybridz
    I don't like using my Notoriety to sell things but if it helps..........
    I'm hoping the product will sell itself. The fact that it's keyless, Push to Start and Stop, Lights up and tells you what it's doing (Status LED's) and the ease of instal (3 connectors and only 3 of the 6 wires to make it work) the other 3 wires are optional.

    Thanks guys, keepem coming.
    Hybrid Z is next. I know it'll be a hit over there but you guys are family, and therefore get first dibs....

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    Dave was over the other day helping me wire up my race car and I got to see this switch in person. There is a lot more to replacing the ignition switch than just putting a button in its place, but he has really done all the figuring for you. I hope you sell a ton of em Dave.
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    This is pretty cool Dave! You can count me in for one. I had been considering how I would do something of this sort but you've got all the figuring done already!

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    I would be interested if you could work out the transponder solution. However, to answer your question the $170 sounds more than fair to me. Great work and I hope you sell lots of them.
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    I like it too Dave. My rig is still a few years from completion and I have dreamt about this exact modification. I have a spot on the center console right near my right knee that would be perfect for it. I understand at the moment it has to go in where the ignition switch was but with a little ingenuity I believe it could be mounted elsewhere. I will keep my eye on it though. Maybe an early XMAS present from the "WIF"
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    Dave, I also think it's a cool idea, but, came up with a few questions. I assume you are posting this to retrieve feedback about the idea. So, here goes.

    Dave, unless it's a race car, I don't see how you can secure the vehicle against someone just opening the door, pushing the button, and driving away with your car. Have you thought about security?

    AFIK, the push-button technology works only on newer cars if the key-fob is present in (or near) the vehicle. I haven't looked into the method they use (some kind of RFID I assume), but, without this in place I don't see how this push button can be used in more markets than just race cars or cars rarely driven and protected in a garage.

    If it plugs directly into the existing wiring, this is a benefit for your product.

    I think it would be really cool if you took this idea to the next level. Perhaps integrate RFID and tie it to a specific alarm manufacturer.

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    Not answering for Dave, but my "oil cap" ignition which I call "keyless", is just that. Anyone can walk up, turn the knob, and steal the car. However, I employ kill switches for those days when I need to park the car for a while. There is no reason that a kill switch can't easily be employed. I think Dave's button setup provides wires for "kill-switching" the car.
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    Of course, a really good "kill switch" is to open up the hood, open the distributor cap, and place the rotor in your pocket. How many people are going to have a spare Z car rotor with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Dave, unless it's a race car, I don't see how you can secure the vehicle against someone just opening the door, pushing the button, and driving away with your car. Have you thought about security?
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    As mentioned above, there is kill switch that is hidden in the car, and the button wont work without this in the right position. As well, i don't think its a stretch to think that if you are going to install something like this in your car, an after market security system is already in, or going in with it. And this kit can tie into most if not all systems, so that when armed, the start button will not work either.
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    Good job Dave! Well thought out and a good implementation. The security features may need a little work, but it really isn't much less secure than the ignition switch in most early 70's cars.
    (The less said publicly about that the better by the way...)

    And $170 is a reasonable price.

    Personally I despise the push button start concept, so I am not interested. However for those who are less stuck in the mud than I am, this looks like a promising solution.
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    This looks great to me. The PO had something like this installed in my '73 240Z, but a bit more complicated. I have to have the key in the ignition switch in the run position (nice security), then flip the ignition switch (yes another switch where the ash tray used to be along with the fuel pump switch, fog light switch and acc switch), then you can push the stat button to start the car. All together works as a theft deterrent. The problem is that the push button has gotten flaky on me and so I picked up an S2000 start button to replace it. Just figured on hooking it up that same as the current button, with the addition of a led lead for lighting it up. Yours seems way easier and simpler. Once I get my car back from more body work, I plan on taking out the dash to see what the wiring is like. I have to because the current switch is located where the cigarette lighter used to be. If I can make yours work, then I will be in. If not, then I go with original plan and use what I have. Just wish you lived closer because right now, there is no one I trust locally to do electrical, let alone learn from. Any idea just yet when production may start?

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    It HAS 2 Security features. Every Kit will come with a PLUG-IN Micro Switch. Which cn be put anywhere within 3 feet of the Start box. AND you can even Extend the wires using regular speaker wire to any length you choose (to put it in the center console if you'd like) The 2 wires of the security Switch just need to make contact to Disengage the Box (Make it not work)

    I Just got the new box and will make a small video tomorrow.

    The Second Security feature is a Single wire than can be connected to an Alarms "Ground when Armed" wire. So If you have an alarm, this feature can be added to your alarm to Disengage the Box. AND you can also leave in the Micro switch as a back-up, so if your alarms power wire is cut, the Micro switch will still Disengage the Box.

    The Third Security Feature is an Anit-Car-Jacking Feature. When the car is running, Flip the Micro switch (when in bad Neighborhoods). pressing the Ignition Button will shut the engine off, you give up your car and leave, they hit the button all they want and it won't start. They leave the car and look for the next victim. You come back when he's gone, flip the switch and drive away.

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    This is a Keyless Ignition, not a Keyless Vehicle system. As I said in the first post, "Use your key to enter the vehicle and put it back in your pocket." You'll never lock your keys in the car again.

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    An Extended Cable will be available for those with Custom Applications like the dash or center console. The Hole cut-out Template can be used on the center console or any 1/8" plate of their chosing.

    A Multi-Mounting bracket will also be available with Pre-cut hole and tabs. It will aalow the bracket to be mounted Under the flat of the dash, on the center console, above the steering column cover or to the left of it. I'll post a picture later to explain the simple mounting bracket for those who want to put the switch somewhere other than the ignition hole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epsark View Post
    This looks great to me. The PO had something like this installed in my '73 240Z, but a bit more complicated. I have to have the key in the ignition switch in the run position (nice security), then flip the ignition switch (yes another switch where the ash tray used to be along with the fuel pump switch, fog light switch and acc switch), then you can push the stat button to start the car. All together works as a theft deterrent. The problem is that the push button has gotten flaky on me and so I picked up an S2000 start button to replace it. Just figured on hooking it up that same as the current button, with the addition of a led lead for lighting it up. Yours seems way easier and simpler. Once I get my car back from more body work, I plan on taking out the dash to see what the wiring is like. I have to because the current switch is located where the cigarette lighter used to be. If I can make yours work, then I will be in. If not, then I go with original plan and use what I have. Just wish you lived closer because right now, there is no one I trust locally to do electrical, let alone learn from. Any idea just yet when production may start?

    If he cut your plug off, I can make you a hard-wire version with Matching colored wires to connect to your dash harness, crimp the butt connectors and you're good to go for the other 3 wires. Simple.
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    After rereading your post, it sounds like he did more than just cut off the plug and wire in the switches. Take a look at where the plug used to be and see what all he did. Kinda interested to find out.

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    I plan on doing that as soon as I can. I get the car back tomorrow from the guy doing the fender flares, but then it has to go back to get repainted, again. If there is enough time between the tow then I will look, if not then I'll PM you with results when I get a chance. Hopefully by the end of the month at the latest. Have enough interest to start production?

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    So one of the Members at Ratsun.net did a little research and found the following vehicles with the same style connector and correct wiring (in the correct slot for complete Plug-N-play) with no altering of the wiring configuration.

    These are the same as the 240Z's ignition connector and wiring
    Datsun
    1968-1973 510
    1970-1978 240Z, 260Z, 280Z
    1979-1983 280ZX
    1972-1973 1200 (B110)
    1979-1982 210 (B310)
    1978-1981 510 (A10)
    1977-1981 810 (Bluebird)
    1982-1983 Maxima (910 Bluebird)
    1979-1982 310 (N10)
    1977-1983 200SX (S10)
    1979 Datsun 620
    1980-1982 Datsun 720

    Subaru
    1982-1987 Brat
    1986-1987 GL
    1980-1984 DL
    1980 GLF
    1980 GL
    1980-1987 Standard

    And these are wired different, but look similar:
    1974-1978 B210
    1973-1976 610
    1975-1977 710
    1976-1978 F10

    All I would need to know, to make the DZ-Start Plug N Play for these models, is where each wire is in the connector.

    So 20 vehicles are P-N-P for the DZ-Start. Things are looking good so far.
    Fianl schematic and board Lay-out was sent to the PCB Manufacurer. So I'll be able to start assembling the boards in a few weeks and should have the relay harnesses ready by then as well.

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    OK, Finally got out there and made a video of the new DZ-Ztart module installed in my 70' 240Z. The old video had different functions. It now better resemble the Maxima operation of Push once for Acc, press brake and push to start car, press again to shut off. Press without touching brake pedal and you only get Acc. on and off.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvlkACavRjY

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    Dave,

    Nice work as usual!

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    Thanks Dave, I try.

    I replied to a message with Greg today. Soundmasterg in Oregon. He brought up a good point. Went something like this......

    Quote Originally Posted by soundmasterg
    Is it possible to interface the DZ-Start as it is now with an RFID system later? Meaning, if I get the system from you as it is presently, will it be able to work with an RFID system at a later date if I get an RFID system at some point? I'll have to do some research on those RFID systems and see how they work....I may be able to make one for a lot cheaper.....

    I definitly plan to add power door locks and windows to my Z...I like your setup and I'm not worried about originality since my car isn't a perfect speciman anyway.

    Greg.

    YES!. Completely easy. The Button has an Orange Dissengage wire. When that wire is grounded (Via a toggle switch hooked to ground, a pressure pad connected to ground, or an Alarms "Ground when Armed" wire) the system will not work.

    If you find an RFID system, with a "ground when away" (wire goes to ground when the RFID tag is not within range) then hook that wire up to the Orange wire and you're good.
    It's literally THAT easy. My issue is they (the good ones, with some range on them - other than 4 inches) are expensive. When I find one that is cost efficiant and fit's in the box we have, I WILL offer it. Guard dog has a small one, it's the size of a relay and has a 10 foot range that is adjustable. But it's $150. I'm looking for one that's in the $50 range.

    Dave
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    And on another note........
    What are your opinions on a simple remote ON/OFF system, integrated with the box. 2 remotes, simple ON or OFF feature. Not sure about the range yet but I'm sure it's outside the car. I ordered a unit and will test it this week.

    I'm thinking a $30 add on? Maybe.
    Still looking for a decent affordable, decent range RFID. Not that easy.

    Got some pics for you guys too.
    Dave

    1) The Labeled DZ-Start box and Security switch (hidable)
    2) The Instal guide (revised)
    3) The Complete kit (with the security switch out of frame)
    4) The 10-pin connector of the Harness plugged in.
    5) The Nissan Button plugged in with the "Coil Signal Aquired" LED
    6) The Nissan Switch ready to go in it's home
    7) The New switch in the Ignition switch hole

    More pics available here..........
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    Would anyone be interested more if we offered a 2) remote system that can easily turn ON/OFF the security feature with the push of a button??? Anyone? I've yet to find an RFID that I really like yet. But I'm looking.

    Also, got 3) pre-Paid orders and lots of interest so far. I know a lot of you want to see a finished product before showing interest, and having another S30 owner, novice installer show how easy it is will probably help in the decision making.

    I know this is not for everyone. It's not a typical "Dave Upgrade" but it is pretty damn cool. If you have any questions Please feel free to ask away. And in case I haven't mentioned it yet... The functions now resemble the Maxima even more.

    press once for Acc. only Press again to shut it off.
    Press once for Acc. press brake and button again to start, press again for off.

    At the buyers request, a micro switch can be installed near the relays to turn on the "Ign. Only" for Diagnostic work on your S30.

    Thanks for reading. hope everyone had a good week-end.
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    Dave, my early 74 260 sometimes only clicks when you turn the key. Then after a few clicks, she will crank. I have replaced the started but it still does it. Will your system fix that some time clicking feeling????

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    Quote Originally Posted by 260 z View Post
    Dave, my early 74 260 sometimes only clicks when you turn the key. Then after a few clicks, she will crank. I have replaced the started but it still does it. Will your system fix that some time clicking feeling????
    That is usually a symptom of:

    1) Weak battery (voltage may be good, but capacity is down)
    2) Tired starter solenoid
    3) Failing battery cables or poor ground
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    What Gary said.
    New Battery, bump your Battey Cables up to a 4 gauge, Clean the ground connections on the firewall behind the battery, and below the battery-above the frame rail, pull the grounds and clean them and the metal they contact, bolt down tight.

    It is possible that the ignition switch could be weakening after these long years. In that case, YES, the DZ-Start system would fix that.

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    Found out some great news today while out and about. It's been brought up that some people would like to be able to have the button in the ON position for Working on the car, diagnostics, etc.

    I thought at first that the new design would not support this, BUT. parently I was wrong...

    Typically, if you press the button once, you get Acc.
    If you press on the brake pedal and press and hold the button, the car starts.
    -*BUT*-
    If the button shows ACC from the first press, just a quick TAP of the button while pressing the brake pedal, the car won't start but the ignition relay is turned on, for diagnostic work or whatever.

    I found out by accident today. I tried to start the car and didn't press the button long enough to start the car. Looked down and saw the ON LED was on, which means the Ign. Relay was on. So yes. The new design does support your need for an Ign ON position for working on the car.

    So get in the car, press the brake pedal and "Double Tap" the button for an "Ign. ON" position without the car running.

    then, without pressing the brake pedal, tap again to shut it off. OR press the brake and hold the button to start.

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    So far, this thing has everything. And was actually surpriced but th Anti-car jacking and Ign. ON Engine not running features.

    Still have some spots available if anyone is interested.

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    Dave,
    Just got the car off the trailer and into the garage, out of the snow again. Can't believe the whether we are having. I have two weeks before she goes to the painter, so I intend to get into the dash as soon as I can. The more I read about what your system can do, the more intrigued I am.
    I am hoping that the wiring is not a total mess under there. As I get into this more, would you rather I PM you or post on this thread so others can see what has been done to my car? The PO also had the car set up on a Crane system, so it has an electronic system.
    I have seen on another post that someone was having problems with their tach not working on an electronic signal. The car has an Autometer tach now, but I got a rebuilt original style that is supposed to work on the electronic signal if your interested in seeing that as well. I just figure that if I am going to take the dash out, I may as well do all the projects that I have been meaning to.

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    Even the Crane system works on a Pulsed signal. The signal I'm refering to is the signal the charges the coil and allows it to release, repeatedly, causing spark for the plugs.

    I have an MSD System and I just grabbed the signal off the White wire, that get's it's signal from the distributor. The signal can be grabbed on fuel injected cars using the Injector wires. They rest at ground and get a positive signal to open with each stroke of the piston (or every other stroke)

    So it's easy to find. AND the LED on the DZ-Start will tell you when you have the correct signal. It will light up when it gets a Pulsed signal. Just hook up (instal the DZ-Start) Start the car, connect a long wire to the Purple Sinal wire on the DZ-Start, touch it to the coil's (+) terminal and see if the LED is lit. If not, probe around the distributor wire and check again. It will light when you get it. Connect the wire to the pulsed wire then hit the button to shut off the car. If you can't find the signal, just press the button without touching the brake pedal.

    The pulsed signal just tells the DZ-Start that the motor is running. So if you have your foot on the brake when shutting off the motor, it doesn't run the starter motor and grind the starter. Post what you find here, so if anyone else has a similar issue, they'll find it here.

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    *UPDATE* time..........

    Just installed the New Remote Control Key Fob Option in the box and it works Great!!!!

    Even with all the wiring and other crap in my dash, the tinted windows (Usually gives signals a problem) metal and all that, The Remote had about a 40 Foot Range on it. I was across the street in my neighbors Garage and it still worked fine.

    No beeping or light flash, just hit the ON or OFF button and you're good. This is the best I can do on a first Edition run.
    I hope to offer a stand alone RFID system that can be hooked up to the Orange Dissengage wire, at a later date. But for now, the Remote System seems to do the trick for those worried about security.
    Here's what you'll get..... A blue wire and 2) Remote Key Fobs.

    The Remotes are. 1.25" wide X 1.75" long

    The DZ-Start with Remote Option will be an additional $25 for a total of $195 delivered anywhere in the Lower 48 United States.

    Does this work for anyone now?
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    Count me in with the remote option Dave, with the caveat I mentioned in private message.

    Thanks!

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    Can do Greg. As for everyone else, These are moving faster than I thought.
    I'm thinking this order of 20 units will be gone by Mid April. So if you're waiting, I wouldn't wait too long.

    By the way guys and gals, A portion of your purchase of a DZ-Start system will be donated to the site you found the DZ-Start on. This site, among others, is the reason you're able to find and buy one. And because of that, I am telling everyone to let me know where you saw the Kit Info, so I can Pay them. I'd love to put "Site Supporter" in my title.

    We're about Less than 10 days from a final, shippable product. And that'll include relay harness, Nissan switch button and cable, DZ-Start Module, hole template and Hopefully (if my metal guy hurries up) the Aluminum alloy Bracket for those who don't want to remove their ignition assembly.

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    Hey Dave, Congrats on your venture, you've done some excellent work and I hope you are rewarded for it.

    Once you get up and going another area you could pursue is the cobra kit car crowd. I had a FFR cobra for 9 years and installing a push button start button (S2000) was a popular mod. Yours has some added features. I would also have the RFID proximity option in hand and available before introducing your product there. Send me a PM/email if you want to discuss it further.

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    pm me i want one with the remote tell me where to place order and ill hook it up its a realy cool idea

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    PM sent, Thanks in advance Chris.

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    Default not always cranking

    Thanks Dave and Gary for your input. I had replaced the battery, the ignition switch and the starter trying to get this car to crank every time I turn the key, but no luck yet. After rearing your reply, I removed and cleaned the ground that is just above the rail under the emergence switch, but can not see any other in that area. I checked the wiring diagram and can not find it. I did see a connector without a wire attached, that is between the fusible link and the battery on the firewall??? I posted this here because, if I can not get this to work, I will need Dave button but, I would like to keep the key.
    Dave, if I miss the first order, will I be able to order in the future??

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    That's the idea, so I hope to be able to say YES. The DZ-Start order of 20 is the first of it's kind for the Datsun (specifically) and so this is more of a Tester run. To see how it goes, the interest it draws, difficulty in building, assembly and shipping, etc, etc.

    If the battery, starter and ignition switch have all been replaced, then the only other option is weak wiring or connections. I would follow the Black/yellow wire from the ignition switch to the starter. removing connections, squeezing them a little for a stronger bite when you reconnect them couldn't hurt.

    You might want to think about a Starter Assist Relay for your 260Z.
    It's a basic relay that mounts near the starter, below the battery and uses the starter wire as a signal to transfew a full battery current to the starter solenoid.

    You can find them on eBay or I can make you one. I found one on eBay from a Bad reputation seller, but I can make one for you for the same price and it'll be WAY BETTER and actually Designed for your 260Z. LEt me know if you're interested.

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    Dave, Thanks for your help. I'll send you a PM
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    Guys, please take all your purchase talk, confirms and post-install support questions to PMs or email. Don't post them here in the discussion thread. Pre-purchase technical questions and answers are OK here, but purchases and after-purchase support need to be offline.
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    Taken care of Arne, I mentioned it to him when I PM'd him. Thus his Edit.

    and on the Update status.
    I have a few Completed kits that are ready to go out the door as we speak.
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    hey dave i still gotta start a paypal things got a little heavy where im at and the net went down for this week but ill get it started tommrow thanks bro.

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    Well guys, Looks like one of our great Vendors/Supporters has picked up the DZ-Start System. If I don't have them in stock, you're more than welcome to try your luck at MSA. But I don't see them keeping the Kit in stock for too long. They'll be flying off the shelves at this rate.
    http://www.thezstore.com/page/TZS/PROD/PEIC11/12-4250

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    Just an update as it's been a while since I checked in on the write-up.
    I ordered 30 more after the first 20 sold. Motorsport bought 15 of the new 30. Sold a few others but still have plenty if anyone is interested.

    $5.00 of each sale will go to the site that the purchaser found the DZ-Start System on. So your purchase thru me, helps CZCC.

    I will be at Canby this year and will have some on hand to sell to those interested.
    I'll also be DONATING one for the Canby Awards Ceremony on Sunday Afternoon.
    Hope to see as many of you as possible.

    Also, I'm no longer offering the GTR button as part of the sale, BUT Motorsport Auto does sell them and it will slide in and lock into the maxima Bezel with ease.

    Thanks again to all who have bought one or may buy one, CZCC will be donated to because of your purchase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zs-ondabrain View Post
    Also, I'm no longer offering the GTR button as part of the sale, BUT Motorsport Auto does sell them and it will slide in and lock into the maxima Bezel with ease.
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    It means I sell the complete kit with a Maxima/Altima Push button. Should someone decide they want the GT-R button with their kit, the can buy one from Motorsport Auto for about $36 plus shipping.

    I pay that and shipping and have to take the bezel from a maxima/Altima button to make a complete kit.
    This way, you have a spare button in your glove box or tool box if the GTR button goes bad.

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    5 Left folks. Once they are gone, THEY ARE GONE. I don't think I'm gonna make any more after this. I don't charge enough to really warrent making them. So get one now, last chance....

    Pre-pay using Paypal to wolfin32z@yahoo.com
    I'm building them right now. They will be ready to ship in 3 to 4 weeks or less.
    $170 for the standard DZ-Start complete kit. $195 for the DZ-Start with Remote Security Option. Prices include shipping in the USA.

    When you Pre-pay using Paypal, please leave a "Note to seller" telling me what the payment is for, if the shipping address is correct and what it's going into.

    LAST CHANCE FOLKS. When they are gone, They Are Gone.
    Thanks in advance,
    Dave
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    Sorry to hear that, Dave. As someone that has the product installed I would recommend it to anyone. It is a high quality, well made, and easy to install mod that, IMHO, was under priced when I bought it. I'd be willing to bet that you could easily get $225 and $275 for them respectively and they would still be a bargain.

    To those that wanted one and are on the fence - $$ well spent!
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    Thank you! I always appreciate a good word.
    I just don't make enough to cover the costs and make it worth doing. I'm suppost to be earning a living for me and my family but the time and money it takes to make these, compared to actual earning at a regular job, versus working at home and being around family, etc, etc, it's hard to decide if it's worth staying home.

    So if I raise the price, Yes that would probably make it worth it But raising the price scares the Budget minded builders away. $30 more, say $200 each and $230 for the Remote option, seems to be better spent on a brake upgrade or New seats. It's a tough ballance when you try and price something high enough to make it worth it, but low enough to apeal to the folks on a budget. See what I mean?

    Thanks again Fire,
    Dave
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    well i have one of these in my z and all i have to say is it adds a little something to the car i think its a very good product and it has worked ever since i put it in and i will say that the girls love it too

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