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    Default Recent Just Dashes or Dashboard Restorations Experiences?

    Hey Guys,

    I'm close to needing to get my dash restored for reassembling my '70. I'm not finding any postings on recent vendor experience with either Just Dashes or Dashboard Restorations USA. Can anyone who has had a dash restored by either in the last year or so give a testimonial as to quality and satisfaction?

    I stopped by Just Dashes a couple of years ago while in the Van Nuys area, and they appeared to do good work, although at the time they seemed expensive compared to Dashboard Restorations. That may have equalized some since I just got a quote from Dashboard Restorations for $850 which was Just Dashes price back then. Just Dashes hasn't responded to my inquiry yet, so maybe they've increased considerably also.

    I know Will (hls30) had some minor issues on his dash done by Dashboard Restorations when they were just opening shop in the US. Wondered if those quality issues had improved.

    Thanks for any input anyone can give.

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    Terry,

    You might also call and get a quote from a place called Dash Specialists in Medford OR. I have attached an article about them from an old issue of Zcar Magazine (1994). They were called Dash Specialties back then, but it looks to be the same place (same address and phone number). I did an internet search and found this link http://www.musclecarsonline.com/Dash/index.htm. They also advertise in Hemmings. It looks like there may be a 10% discount if you tell them you saw them on musclecarsonline.

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    Hey Mike,

    Thanks for the info. I'll contact them and get a quote, then post the findings.

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    I did the Dashboard Restorations thing several years ago. If you do a search through the archives, there is a thread about the group buy with EricB and we all shipped our dashes to Australia. I didn't send my gauges and fit them myself with a hot-air gun when the dash came back. I am very satisfied. At the time there was a business in your part of the country, Mike, that was dealing through Dashboard Restorations that may have been Dash Specialties. They were actually shipping their Z-car work to Australia I think because Dashboard Restorations had the mold. Then I heard Dashboard Restorations set up a shop in America or Dash Specialties bought molds? something like that. We chose Dashboard Restorations because of price and the finish grain. We felt that Dashboard Restorations had a finish pattern / grain that was the closest to original. I think it was called "hair cell" or something.

    But your'e going to be satisfied with any of the choices you mentioned. Just Dashes did the upholstry work for the Vintage Z program. Ask to look at grain patterns for the finish. The other major issue facing you, Terry, is shipping the dash. You will find that the size of the box is going to determine shipping cost. I forget what it cost me but it was a huge amount.

    My restoration came with new foam and skin on the original frame. The new skin material is much thicker than the original. Easily twice the thickness. This makes fitting the gauges difficult and tight. Also, you will notice that the creases in the shape of the dash are not as clearly defined. Bescause the skin material is thicker, styling lines, creases, and edges are just a little softer. I recall one of my 'expert' friends remarking that the difference in a restored dash was easily noticable, however I never challenged him to it and I think he could only tell if a new and my restored dash sat side-by-side.
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    I used Dashboard Restorations in WA last year, was very pleased with quality of work. Nice people to talk to, very responsive to questions and concerns. Cost was $850 for early 70 240Z, I believe.
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    My 73 dash was restore by http://dashboardrestorations.com in November of last year. It took 2 months and was delivered at the end of February 2009. The quality of the job was EXCELLENT. Keep in mind that my dash had major crack in it. Dashboardrestorations.com required that the dash be shipped with all the gauges in order to do a proper fit. Price was 850$ excluding shipping cost (in and out).

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    Thanks to all for the input.

    I have followed the dashboard forums over the last couple years and was aware of the Australian shipment. I was looking for some more recent observations by members to see if anything had changed with the US vendors. I got all of the info today that I had requested so I'll give a brief synopsis.

    Just Dashes cost has increased to $1200. They're including a glovebox recover for free at the present time. If I understand their explanation correctly, they remove the old vinyl, repair the foam as needed, then add a complete new layer of foam on the top before putting the new vinyl on. This seems to be same process used by all 3 I checked with. The vinyl is haircell texture, which again is common to all 3. They don't require it, but you can send your gauges along for fitting. They also recover consoles for $450.

    Dash Specialists, which is the Oregon company Mike mentioned, charges $1000 for a Z dash. Their process is the same and also don't require gauges to be sent but will accept them for fitting.

    Dashboard Restorations USA charges $850, as mikemerkury and duffman said. Process is the same. They want you to send all 5 of your gauges, the two air vents on each end, and the glovebox door so that fit can be properly done. They also clean and paint the glovebox door to match the dash. They recover consoles for $195.

    All 3 vendors were courteous and helpful when I talked with them. My impression is the same as what Chris stated: you probably will get a good job by any of them. I think my choice is gong to be Dashboard Restorations based on the good experiences of others stated here, price, and when talking with Pete there, he went the extra mile to make me comfortable with what I would get.

    Hope this info is helpful. Thanks again for everyone's input.

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    Update on my dash. Pete has it at Dashboard Restorations. He called and said everything looked good; no problems anticipated. He'll work it into the schedule and get it back to me. I'll give another update with pics when I get it back; probably close to 2 months out though.

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    Well I guess I will be the voice of dissent. I sent my dash series one (HLS30- 009070) to Dashboard restorations. The did a lot, I mean a lot of stuff wrong. The lighter hole not used in the 70 dash was made a lighter hole and looked like crap. Duh, it was set to be a hole where there did not used to be a hole, no texture in the bottom and stretched very thin. The leading edge by the defrost vents is not the right shape and the glove box would not close. The bad part is I sent all the hardware and all the fittings and all of it came back in a bag less the fasteners of course. Had they tried to fit anything but the gauges none of it would have fit.

    Pete sent us a mold to try and fix the new lighter hole that project failed miserably and I have really good guys working on the project. So I had to send it back, Pete did pay to ship it back and back to me and do the repairs. I thought it would be a good outcome. At his instruction I took masking tape and put on every complaint I had about the dash and sent it back. I sent pictures of the other series one car I have (cracked but the parts that need to be made to look right on my dash look good on it). I insisted Pete send pix of the repairs BEFORE shipping back to me for approval. This would gaurantee no more issues. What I wanted was a restored dash, nothing more. No pix were sent and the repairs are less than acceptable. I had not problem paying but not getting what I paid for is not acceptable

    I am now almost a year out from the time I sent it in the first time, with all the shipping waiting, shipping, frustration, waiting and shipping. I am out over $1,000, yep a thousand bucks with the shipping and $850 and I am still not even close to happy. I left him another voice mail and have sent pictures of the old dash the restored dash and the parts car dash. Still no response. Nothing since last Thursday. My wife who is easy to please (married me ) is not happy and the 6 or so people who know cars all feel it is sub standard. So again it is not just me.

    In my opinoin his first attempt was poor, his first restoration was slow and not very good, like I said lots of mistakes The repair attempt was half hearted at best and his failure to send pix as requested was a outright ploy to not have to fix the problems he knew were still there. I will never send anything to him again and would never recommend his service to anyone.

    Poor communication and poor follow up were just an add on to a poor job done in the first place. I have pix and if anyone wants them I will send them along. My next step is to get my money back and try to find someone who can do the job right and start over. I am considering using the other series one dash I have and have it done. Very unhappy and very dissapointed. Let me be clear, I paid with a check to save him the credit card fees and I really wanted this to all work out for the best but it is apparent that is not going to happen. It has nothing to do with the money, it is about doing what you say and doing it right. I run my own business and if I treated people like this I would have been out of business years ago. HTH, Richard Oben, owner north racecars inc.

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    Oh crap,
    They have my dashboard right now! I hope that I have a better experience than you did (no offense). I guess it can't be much worse. I am sorry that things did not go well for you.


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    My dash is there as well.
    Sorry to hear about your experience. Rob Fuller of Z Car garage uses them and recommends them highly. I'm hoping for the best, but it is taking longer than I thought it would.

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    Richard Oben, why don't you put some photos up on your posting, i think many other than me, would like to see the work that have been done.

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    Yes the dash is in the car. I had to get more stuff done, body shop already has the car as of yesterday. We can pull it out in about and hour. I will figure out later where to send the other dash or what Pete is going to do.
    Without the dash the car would not run or have gauges. Before I put the hood and fenders on I wanted to make sure it ran and stopped and all that stuff.
    I can tell you that there is more wrong than right. This is after the second attempt:
    This is what in the later cars is the cig lighter, on series one cars it is not used. The first repair was worse. I have those pix on another data card and my wife has hidden it. If anyone really wants to see the first attempt I will dig them out or you can email me. Richard 'at' northracecars.com





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    The door to the glove box this is as high as it will go. For now I will bungee it from the back without the paper glove box. to hide as much as of the misfit as I can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Oben View Post
    Yes the dash is in the car. I had to get more stuff done, body shop already has the car as of yesterday. We can pull it out in about and hour. I will figure out later where to send the other dash or what Pete is going to do.
    Without the dash the car would not run or have gauges. Before I put the hood and fenders on I wanted to make sure it ran and stopped and all that stuff.
    I can tell you that there is more wrong than right. This is after the second attempt:
    This is what in the later cars is the cig lighter, on series one cars it is not used. The first repair was worse. I have those pix on another data card and my wife has hidden it. If anyone really wants to see the first attempt I will dig them out or you can email me. Richard 'at' northracecars.com

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    The door to the glove box this is as high as it will go. For now I will bungee it from the back without the paper glove box. to hide as much as of the misfit as I can.
    It looks like the dash frame was bent or twisted a little I wonder if the passenger side was made taller also. If something flattened the frame end it could look like this if they didn't shape it back properly. Was the package ever damaged from you to them or visa versa??

    On a lighter note has anyone used Just Dashes and would give a review, I know they started off as Z Dashes (I talked to the owner on the phone). I never seen their work on Z cars, I know they make very accurate reproductions for other cars.

    Also maybe some of you with good experiences can take some detailed pictures so the rest can see the work these companies do

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    Dash was not twisted by me or them. It fit and bolted up perfectly back in the car. The area to the passenger side of the glove box was not cut down enough when the pulled the old cover off and put the new cover on. It is just too thick in that area so the door will not close. It is much more apparent in person. In the pic the guy is holding the door as far up as it will go, the latch is at least a half inch from lining up. And they had the latch with the dash, no excuse in my opinion. Cheers Richard.

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    That's a real bummer Richard, I hope you get your money back.

    This whole thread makes me that much more apt to sticking it out with my half dash cap for a while longer.
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    I'm one of those who had mine done in Australia as mentioned in post #4. To be fair even that had some issues - though I'm quite satisfied with the results. The biggest issue being the fact that the new vinyl is thicker than the original and I believe was actually added on top of the original vinyl. This makes my glove box door a tight fit as well. I had to very carefully install a NOS heater control panel which was a tight fit and fragile. The other big issue I had was getting the gauges back in. The 3 center gauges are installed from the back but were a difficult to install with the extra vinyl. The tachometer and speedometer were even worse. They're supposed to be installed from the front but there was no way to make that happen without them sticking out too far. I ended up having to carefully trim the new vinyl and install them from the back like the other gauges.

    The pictures posted actually aren't as bad as I was expecting from the descriptions but I'll admit an in-person inspection might be dramatically different.

    One final point: I just shipped the dash pad for the restoration but kept the frame and gauges. I believe I could have sent them all but the shipping and extra work would have cost more. In my case I reinstalled the frame and gauges and was able to drive the car while waiting for the restoration.
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    I think it is good that we talk about the problems that came up, but I have not heard much about Just Dashes work. They state they take them down to the internal frame and re-foam then mold. If I wanted the vinyl molded on top like MikeW posted on #17, I'd use Finish Line hear is NJ they quoted $650 for that including filling in the cracks. Maybe us Z guys are cheap Just Dashes is more expensive, but if the work is better it would be worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajmcforester View Post
    I think it is good that we talk about the problems that came up, but I have not heard much about Just Dashes work. They state they take them down to the internal frame and re-foam then mold. If I wanted the vinyl molded on top like MikeW posted on #17, I'd use Finish Line hear is NJ they quoted $650 for that including filling in the cracks. Maybe us Z guys are cheap Just Dashes is more expensive, but if the work is better it would be worth it.
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    The reason I went to DR is the feedback I read on this forum (not blaming the forum). The car has been a lot of work and is coming along to be one of the nicest around. Very rust free 70 240Z, the only replacement metal is the dog leg on the quarters all the rest of the metal is original. This is why I am so dissapointed, the dash does not meet the look of the rest of the car.

    What really irks me is I ASKED FOR PICTURES and got nothing. I went so far as actually calling when I got the Fed Ex notification to tell Pete SEND ME PICTURES before it ships. I did not want to go through this again. He said it was already in the box and he forgot to take them. NO EXCUSE, PERIOD.

    As for the gauges were very tight. I can not imagine doing this worl without the gauges. If the rest of the dash is any indication of the quality not one of the gauges would have fit had we not sent them with it. Heck he had the glove box and the latch and it doesn't fit. JMHO, Richard.

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    Richard, i know the Aus DR have changed hands and i think the US company have done the same, so have that in your mind when reading about feedback.
    Not long ago, i contacted the Aus DR asking for a price, i was told they don't make 240Z dashes, so i had to ask him back, why there was a 240Z dash present on his frontpage

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    Quote Originally Posted by texasz View Post
    Give us the 411 on your NJ shop please!!
    Hear is the information, he might have offered me a lower price I've sent some people over to him based on their national reputation. I'm planning to have him reproduce the carpets for my Z, I'm not impressed with the reproduction carpets in the after market. If you ever looking for custom work it is top notch

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    Well I asked for my money back. Just the work money, I would eat the shipping. I got a request to have me ship it back to them and supply all the parts to fix it. Of course it would be at my expense.

    Well, when I sent the dash the first time I sent all the hardware and it was installed. All they really had to do was put it back and make sure it all fit.

    And the second time I sent it back I included all the hardware again and SPECIFICALLY asked for pictures BEFORE the dash was returned.

    So here I am being asked to pay more money to have them not do it right again. Once bitten twice conned I will not be fooled a third time especially when I would have to pay another 200 in shipping.

    His response has been for me to pay for shipping for them to do it wrong a third time.

    In short I will never ever ever recommend them to any ever. What a joke, two attempts to get it right and now he wants a third but will not refund my money. Sorry, I will send another dash to a reputable company before it goes back to this guy. JMHO, Richard.

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    I'm sorry you had this experience. Like I said earlier, my dash is currently there and I am feeling less than optimistic about it. I guess time will tell what kind of job they do on it. Do you know where you are going to send it?

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    I am curious if you got "your" dash back, or if they sent you one they had there? Did you mark the dash in any way to determine if it was actually yours when you got it back?
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    The VIN number is on the dash so unless they replaced the VIN it is my dash. Just really poorly done, TWICE.

    (not advertising but making a point) I (we) am in the automotive industry, www.northracecars.com we sell a lot of parts and I personally see to the quality control, we have an excellent reputation in the Mustang 5.0 world for a reason, we ship quality parts on time and they fit. I personally make it a point to do better than what I see in a lot of the industry. For example getting a kit of parts that do not fit. My Z sway bar kit, had the wrong length bolts, not a big deal but how can they ship the kit with the wrong length bolts. We try and do much better with our parts.

    What I got in the way of service and product was a joke.

    To be honest, I am not as mad as I am dissapointed. I specifically sent a check to them to save them the credit card fees. I was patient when they had the dash for over 8 weeks the first time. I opened the box and was almost physically ill, that is how disappointed I was. On the second time, (repeating) I SPECIFICALLY ASKED FOR PICTURES BEFORE THEY RETURNED THE DASH TO AVOID SHIPPING AND MORE DISAPPOINTMENT. They just no it is fine we are shipping it. I ASKED TO UNPACK SEND PIX BEFORE THEY SHIP.

    The pictures above speak for themselves. This is my 4th Z and the nicest one I have ever owned. It just sucks to take a car all the way to a bare shell, spend thousands on parts, rebuild everything. New or redone interior, rebuilt motor, rebuilt transmission, all new suspension, New AC etc etc. Especially after starting with what was very very very rust free only to have the dash stick out like a sore thumb as something I cheaped out on. Really really disapointing.

    Would anyone seriously send it back a THIRD time, seriously anyone?

    JMHO, Richard.

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    Well I thought I would give you all an update. The dash is still here and the car is progressing. The guy at DR wants me to ship it back so he can screw it up again, and he wants me to pay for it. I have decided not to and asked for my money back, not the shipping just the money I paid for the work done ($850). I am now out about a grand and he is giving me an ultimatum on time, not sure that makes any sense. I have a feeling this is not going to end well. I will likely have to sue him in small claims court to get any money back. If I ran my business like this guy I would be out of business. JMHO, YMMV, Richard.

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    Thanks for "taking one for the team". I have 2 I was thinking of sending out - but now I think I will just live with the imperfections. It would be nice one day if our cars would see the thriving aftermarket of some of the other 70's era cars, but I don't think it is going to happen.

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    Oh no! Now, I am really getting scared. Last June 8, I sent him 2 dashbaordrestoration to work on. A few days after it arrived to Pete, he already charged my credit card. Only July 28, I asked him how it was going through email since he initially said it would take 8 weeks. July 28 would be 7 weeks already and thought it would be ready. On this date, his email reply said "a few weeks out". Early this month, I sent him an email and left him voicemails on his phone and got no reply. Today, I tried to call him again, but his phone now say it has been temporarily disconnected.

    Now, I am very scared. Anyone got in touch with this guy lately? Man, all that money gone! And worst of all, MY DASH!!! Now what am I going to do?

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    http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=23919

    If no one else........Do it yourself. Bruce's thread above illustrates that you can do it yourself, and since I own the dash (It's in my white 70) that he restored I can tell you it's still beautiful!
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    Charles,

    Let me ease some of your concern...I just received my dash from Dashboard Restorations last month. It took longer than I expected--but the workmanship was excellent! I had the center console redone at the same time and it also looks great. I am very pleased that I used this company.

    I just spoke with Pete a few weeks ago--keep trying him. I know his company does all the dashes for Z Car Garage (San Jose). I know Classic Datsun has used his company, too.
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    I have my fingers crossed. I will keep on emailing him as well as trying his numbers.

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    I got an email reply from Pete just now saying that "Dashes are nearing completion. Hope to ship out week after next." And that his phone got busted due to road construction. This allows me to breathe better.

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    Good to hear this.

    Let us know how your dash turns out. Make sure you ask Pete about how to care for it. He will recommend a product from Griot's Garage.

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    Hi Rich1, it has certainly lowered my anxiety. My heartbeat is back to normal. Thanks for that tip, I will make sure to ask Pete on how to take care of the dashs.

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    Well I got a nice, very nice, call from the owner of the company. Apparently they have decided to do the right thing and fix my dash correctly without charge to me; including shipping. The bad part is I need to take the car apart again to do it.

    I got the call and an email last week from the owner and she was super nice about making it right.

    I am going to have to wait a little while to get it fixed as the car is out of que right now. But I thought it only fair to pass the good news on as it is truly good new. HTH, Richard.

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    That is great news indeed. I am still waiting for mine and I really hope it does come out right. It has been there since June. I will check with him on the status of it.

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    Hi guys,
    I just wanted to post my experiences with dashboard restoration. Overall, things were good. The bad: it took almost 7 months to get it back. I sent it in May but finally got it a few minutes ago. The good: I got both the dash and the center console done and am happy with the outcome. They are not perfect but considering what I sent them, they are a million times better. The glove box door doesn't fit great but it didn't before I sent it. The gauges were all in place and a baggy was attached with the hazard switch and glove box light switch. The nice thing about the time delay is that I totally forgot how much I paid for the process! I haven't checked the fitment of the valence between the dash and the windshield but am happy with the outcome.

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    Mine is now running 6 months since I sent them. Now that I know yours took 7 months, I know mine is not far behind. I really was getting scared but at least this tells me that it just takes a very long time. And true, I have forgotten how much I had to pay.

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    Hang in there! The dash turned out really nice. There were a couple of small wrinkles on the center console along a tight inside curve but overall, I think you will be very pleased. They said mine took longer because they had to do extra work on it due to the condition? If you don't hear from them soon, call or email them to light a fire under them. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.


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