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    Hey everyone,
    I recently ordered reproduction plastic panels that are part of the interior. The set that includes the speaker panels by the wheel wells, the dome light, the quarter windows and the rear brake light cover. I just got them today and was unpleasantly surprised to find that the butterscotch color that I ordered was nowhere close to the original. The butterscotch vinyl parts that I ordered were the original orangeish color but the plastic panels were beige to tan in color. It is obvious that the color is painted on as the back sides are black. I got them from Datsun Spirit and they were great to deal with but this is not acceptable. I have several questions for everyone.

    1) Do I return them and try to get them from another vendor? They may all use the same supplier and get the exact same thing.

    2) Has anyone ordered the butterscotch panels and what were your experiences and from who did you get them.

    3) Do I say "screw it" and have the body shop guy or myself repaint them a color that matches the rest of the interior.

    4) If I go with number 3, where does one go to try and get a custom paint made that will work with plastic and hold up over time?
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    I know thats a lot of questions but as always, I appreciate everyones advice.


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    Carl,

    I spoke with Les at Classic Datsun about the butterscotch panels recently. He sells the dye for the panels he sells which matches his butterscotch vinyl. I'd approach him about it first.

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    I would contact Eiji at Datsun Spirit and let him know the problem. He is a good guy and will most likely work with you to figure something out. I checked the Classic Datsun Motorsport website and it says "Available in black, blue, white and red. Any other colors can be dyed by you or your preferred paint shop". I'm not sure if they are made by the same vendor or not. I would use SEM plastic paint if you can find a close match (or can get a custom match made) if you keep them and go that route. Maybe Les at CDM can give you some insight into what a good color match for butterscotch would be.

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    Thanks guys. I'll look into it. I have nothing but good things to say about Eiji and will take your advice and contact him.

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    They are all made by the same company in black and then painted with SEM paint. Get some SEM in your color and repaint them.

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    Seems to me that the butterscotch I remember of 30+ years ago was more beige than I see these days. I wonder if the color has aged toward the orangish of your car over the years. It's possible that your new parts may be "correct" for new parts, but not a good match to old, aged parts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manny1973 View Post
    They are all made by the same company in black and then painted with SEM paint. Get some SEM in your color and repaint them.
    I noticed this also when I ordered a replacement rear tail finisher in the 73 off-white from MSA. The back was black and the front was sprayed with SEM Vinyl dye, which was fine because I had done the rest of the interior panels in the very same dye. What a coincidence!

    Over the years of storage and the car being smoked in for 7 years, had turned brownish compared to the vinyl. Ordered 2 cans of SEM and took care of that.

    You might consider doing the same to make everything match.

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    Thanks again for everyones help. I am glad that I have options.

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    When I bought my car in 1985 the interior was all black and I didn't know that wasn't original. Later I discovered that my car was originally #113 green with the butterscotch panels that had been dyed black. The backs of the panels are still butterscotch but I had good success removing the bulk of the black dye with acetone and then used SEM to change the color once again to my current medium gray. It could be that there just isn't a SEM color close enough to the original. To my eye 15173 CAMEL is the closest:

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    Mike,
    That is really close to the color of the panels currently. The color of the vinyl and the parts originally was more orange. Almost a burnt orange. I am going to check with classic datsun.

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    Your descrption of the current panels being "burnt orage" doesn't sound right to me. I think all of your originals have aged and color-morphed.
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    I will try to post some pictures tonight. In my car, the original vinyl was a close match to the color of the plastic panels. The new vinyl is dead on but the plastic is tan. Burnt orange was just my vague description of the color. I don't know if I have any of the old panels left to compare to. I think they were in bad enough shape that they were pitched long ago. I will look.

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    I'll look for an original panel as well. I think some of mine were cracked so I replaced them.
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    I found a place that sells plastic dyes and paints. I cut a portion of the color chart and think I found the color I am looking for. I don't have the parts with me (I am at work ) To me the color 1006 looks the most like what I was expecting. Anyway, I will try to look closely tonight and see what I think.

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    Both of my cars are factory black, but after looking at some of the pictures I am wondering if some retrobrite would help for some of these panels. I have mixed up a batch with pretty good results. Works wonders for old computer parts..

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    I have Butterscotch interior as well. I bought a Japanese product called Q Color in their "Caramel" for my replacement panels. At first, I wasn't too thrilled with the match as it was less orange than the original panels, but as I got to looking inside my car very closely at interior colors, there is like 4 different shades of brownish/beige/orange/caramel color.

    The paint (dye) I bought matches the the boomerang and a-pillar vinyl perfectly, but the inset of the door, the plastic panels and headliner are definitely more orange (albeit in slightly different shades).

    With that discovery I decided to not worry about a perfect match as one area of the car will not match another area if, for example, comparing the headliner with the plastic panels, etc. Also since the car is a resto-preservation mod project, it's so far from original anyway that it simply doesn't matter to me from a $$$ perspective to keep it all stock...close is good enough.

    I say install what you got unless it's *way* off base or you're like most of us with these cars and have runaway OCD...:-)

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    Here's some pretty good images of my original, in excellent condition butterscotch panels and vinyl. The one exception is the rear panels that have been cut out for speakers by the PO. I would like to replace these but finding a proper color match is the only thing that has kept me from pulling the trigger.

    Note that the color of the panels appears to be slightly darker and more orange than the Vinyl, at least in my case. I haven't tried the SEM color yet but it doesn't look quite right on their color chips. That Parasol PR1006 Carl posted looks pretty close but may be a little on the light side.

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    Are these original colored panels colored all the way through the plastic? If so, time and light will take their toll on color. May have to spray everything one color to make everything match. We all know too well abot the runaway OCD, or the dreaded WIAI, (while I'm at it).

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    The "butterscotch" is more "pumpkin" in color when new, according to Les at Classic Datsun.

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    Here are a couple of pictures to show the color differences. Sorry about the quality. It was last minute and I was using my phone. The panel is a nice color and is not as dark as the picture shows. It would be nice if the interior were entirely this color. Its only when you get to the second picture that you can see the difference in the color of the panel vs. the vinyl. Again, I apologize for the dark pictures. The vinyl is lighter in color as well.

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    It's hard to tell from your pictures, since the colors are off, but the vinyl does look too dark and the plastic too light.

    Here is the butterscotch interior from the 1970 brochure. They don't really show the plastic panels though.

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    All great ideas. I think I am going to try to find some panels to use the retrobrite stuff on though, just to see how it works out. Could prove interesting. Anyone have a panel they want to send of some sort - otherwise it's off to see what I can find at a pick-n-pull

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    The Datsun dealer marketing photos used lots of photographic color filters so they are poor guides for color originality. The avocado green paint code 113 comes out much darker in the photos than it actually is for instance...


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