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    Default original jute material

    Hello,

    Reacently I got jute pads for my240Z,I think material is same as original but I am not sure for cutting patterns.

    If someone know the original patterns and can show the picture
    of original here,please let me know.

    Thanks
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    front flour jute pad
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    rear deck jute pad
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    Katsuhiko Endo
    1970 DATSUN 240Z
    HLS30-02156 (03/70)
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    front flour carpet with tape fasteners
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    Katsuhiko Endo
    1970 DATSUN 240Z
    HLS30-02156 (03/70)
    L24-005562

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    PS30-00088 (01/70)
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    Kats

    that's a great looking interior you have there!!!

    I agree with the cut for the section that goes under the seat. Can't comment on the front footwells or the rear deck unfortuately.

    You may already know this but there was a jute section behind the rear seat that goes part way up onto the stowage shelf. Mine from my 4/70 are pretty ragged but I might be able to ascertain the original cut if you can't get it from anywhere else.

    Is that jack holding clip the original? Mine is different ( made mostly of rubber) whereas yours seems to be all metal.

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    I copied this off an eBay auction Kats.
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    And this
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    26-thz

    do you know what year z those ebay pictures came from? I might be wrong but I thought the earlier cars' rear shelf jute was different as the plastic stowage compartments were in the way.

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    Thank you abas and 26th-Z,

    I have been thinking about same thing as you abas,
    my jack holding clip is different from the one which I saw in the factory service bullutin for the JAPANESE fairlday.In that,clip looks
    rubber band.

    And 26th-Z showed pictures they are a kind of black,my jute is blown which seems to me not-added anything to the jute.
    And the shape is "fat T"is same,but other ones are looks 71later to 73 Z.

    Thanks
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    I have no idea what year the eBay jute is from. The jute in my car is missing and I have been looking at older cars to determine the pattern myself!

    I think you have the rear floor jute correct, Kats. Your front floor jute looks slightly different from the eBay picture. That jute appears to bend up the sides. ?

    I know of several early cars in original condition and I was planning to copy their pattern, but I am not at that point with my restoration and the cars are hours from me involving a full day trip. I will post a pattern drawing in the future.

    All the old jute I have seen is dark brown and I do not have a source for the material other than grey at the moment. I think the lighter brown is fine and it will darken with age and heat.

    Thanks for the pictures, kats. I copied all of them for my reference. I sent you a PM.

    Oh, I have a black rubber strap with metal rings on each end to hold the jack in place. My strap is broken. I would love a new one.
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    Those rear pieces look exactly like the ones in my 72. And I also assume the rear pieces on the earlier cars would be different due to the tool doors
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    rubber strap for choke plate
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    L24-005562

    1970 FAIRLADY Z432
    PS30-00088 (01/70)
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    Default Stamp marks

    Kats last picture of the wheel chocks got me thinking of other stamp marks I find on parts. Does anyone know what this means? Has anyone identified all the different stampings? This one comes from a headlight scoop.
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    Default "Ken"

    Hi,

    This stamp is easy for me,we say "Ken" and this means "inspected"

    But I do not know stamps for my chocks,these are "C" with circle and "O" with circle.

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    Default Source for Jute Material

    Anybody know where we can get a similar jute material as Kats has used, but in the US?

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    Default 1969 original jute pads from japan

    Hello everyone,

    I posted these photos already in Alan's thread.
    I post these again for this thread.

    This photo shows 1969 fairlady Z432's jute pads.Japanese Z does not have a plaque of manufacture date like US & CANADA model.

    The Z432 is owned by Mr.WATANABE and he reported this Z has a date stamps DEC 1969 on the back side of the steering wheel,and this Z was registerd in japan very late DEC 1969,there is a document still with this car.

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    Hi,

    This photo shows my new jute pads for my 1970 240Z.

    I made this by myself after returned home from SAGAMIKO event
    very carfully looking at Mr.WATANABE's perfect example.

    Actualy I got these from Mr.NISHI(professional restorer) first,but these were not correct shape as you see on this early thread.

    I was lucky to have extra jute then I cut and attached and trimed them together.

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    Default need switch right and left

    And I found early fairlady Z's tool box layout is just opposite from
    US & CANADA model.

    So I need to be carful to cut my new jute because fairlady Z's jute pads shape are just reversed right and left.

    I forgot to see of plastic tool cover's shape,I think they are also
    opposite?
    I think the box(plastic cover) for the rench and red rods can be applied right and left,but the box (plastic cover) for the jack and choke plates can not be applied both side due to the shape is made only for a paticular side right or left.

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    The last photo for this thread this jute is behind right seat's.

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    Kats,

    Did you make tracings of the patterns? I removed the jute padding from my tunnel and traced a pattern. This is very interesting. Does the jute cover the rear bulkhead? Is the jute exposed under the tool lids. or does this have carpet also?

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    Default I was wrong

    Hello everyone,

    I made a mistake,I was wrong about the tool lid for jack and choke plates.
    I checked mine,it seems to me it can be applied both LHD and RHD.
    If there is anyone can check and make a comment for this topic here,I will very happy.

    26th-Z,I did not trace from Mr.WATANABE's original.
    Just I added extra jute while seeing original photo in my computer and using my imagination fully.
    Because Mr.NISHI was made nealy perfect jute already
    so it is easy work for me.

    I post photos of my jute restration from the bigining.It started
    from "something short" but finally got perfect shape.
    And Mr.NISHI said original jute might get dyed with a kind of anti-rust liquid.

    This photo was the first apperance of my new jute.It was not correct for my march 1970 240Z.
    This fat "T"shape is started from late 1970.
    I also saw Mr.YAMADA's original jute manufactured late 1970 fairlady Z-L at sagamiko event,
    This Z is series 1(I know Alan do not say like this)
    but there is a very small rib across from the center tunnel to the body side sill behind both seat mounts.The hight of the rib is just
    same as the thickness of jute pad.
    So jute pad should be this shape,being separated by this rib.

    I mean my march 1970 Z do not have the rib,so jute pad needs not to be separated,it is natural to guess the jute pad might look much bigger than this,it might be one piece from the tool lid area to under the seat.

    At last,my guessing was veryfied"right" when I saw Mr.WATANABE's truely original jute pads.

    26th-Z, you saw Mr.WATANABE's jute pads photo,there are two black carpets they are exactly original.
    Also Mr.YAMADA's late 1970 fairlady Z-L have just same shape carpet,sthey are original too.
    I orderd Mr.NISHI to make carpets ,he knew original shape about carpets but he used to say did not know the original about jute pads.

    Mr.NISHI was also attended sagamiko event with his family to
    sell their magnificient products and so many OEM parts.
    At the event,Mr.NISHI and I got the answer for the jute pads.
    By the way,Mr.WATANABE and Mr.YAMADA both said to me
    "I have never think about jute pads,today it is the first time to me to look at them really carfully "

    Thank you,

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    This was the second step,I asked Mr.NISHI to cut the jute which was the same shpe as carpet.

    At this time,I did not attached them(new tool lid area jute and the fat"T"shape jute) togather because I did not have a confidence for originality.

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    Default final step

    I cut and attached extra jute for original shape.
    I dicided to do this because at sagamiko event I saw the Mr.WATANABE's original jute pads.
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    Default top view with a carpet

    assembled with a tool lid and a carpet.
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    Default outer view

    outer view of driver's side tool lid
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    Default a tool bag

    a tool bag
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    Default passenger's side tool lid

    same as driver's side process.This jute shape was not original.
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    The jute was filled gaps and attached fat"T"shape and new tool lid area one,then cut for tool securing tabs.
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    The jute pad and the carpet restorations were completed.
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    Great pictures. I'm sure many people on this site will thank you for identifying how everything in the area behind the seats goes together on the early z's.:classsic:


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    I agree - well done Kats!

    Articles like this are just what this site does best. You can get questions, personal experiences, debate, pictures, and finally a conclusion - all in one thread. Once it goes into the archives its a valuable reference for everybody.

    Its also great to see a thread tied up with a positive result. Excellent work.

    When I bought my project car ( a Fairlady Z-L produced in the second half of 1970, and very similar to Mr Yamada's car that Kats mentioned ) it was incomplete and many parts were missing. I won't be restoring it to its original specification - as its going to be a 432-R replica - but knowing what it WOULD have been like is a great help.

    Kats, I have a question in relation to Mr Nishi's thoughts that the original Jute might have been coated / painted / sprayed / dipped in some kind of fluid anti-rust treatment. From the scraps of remaining Jute on my project car, and the original Jute on my ZG, I can see that it is indeed coated in a dark and sticky fluid. This appears to have been applied at the Factory - and it is not caused by a leak!

    So are you going to attempt to replicate any of this treatment to your Jute pads? Maybe its best not to, as long as they are not going to get wet and you are going to make sure that all is well under your carpets. In my opinion, the coating is rather sticky and a little bit messy.

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    Hi Kats and all.
    I have saved away your photos for when one day hopefully my car gets to that stage. In regards to the coating, I noticed that too, and it seemed to be almost as if it was dipped in a mixture or left over underseal and turps (or something similar) You could have a play round, but do you really want to make something so nice as your new jute all sticky and discoloured?

    Its amazing the attention to detail on your car Kats, I love it.
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    Hi all


    On both my z's I noticed this residue on the jute.

    On mine it only seems to be on the central tunnel jute and the pieces behind the seats. The other pieces of jute ( original as far as I can see) are just dirty/discoloured with no residue. I always thought the residue might have been some kind of contact adhesive to stick the jute in areas where it might fall off if not held in place by something. ( like the tramsmission tunnnel and the areas behind the seats)




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    I only have the original jute on the tunnel. It was glued to the tunnel and then sprayed with contact adheasive for the vinyl covering. Thus the sticky nature? However, my jute is very dark brown and the solution mentioned could very well be the explanation of color. Too bad we can't all get together and compare!

    Many, many thanks kats. I saved all your photographs for reference. I believe you have researched the "correct" jute and carpet. I will make a point of looking at the early cars I have access to and reply to this post with my findings.
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    To everyone,
    Thank you for your looking and enjoying my photo.

    I forgot to show you one thing,what is this?

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    The answer of a photo which I posted last is,the center tunnel jute pad.

    This was a bonus from Mr.NISHI,I did not expected he present this for me.Now I do not plan to replace center tunnel jute pad,
    so just keep this for someday.

    Many of you made coments about dipping the jute into "something special liquid",I do not want to comence that procedure now.Because like many of you mentioned I do not want the jute to be sticky.
    Mr.NISHI do not know what the liquid shoud be now,but when he find out about it,I will ask him to dip my jute maybe.

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    Trans Tunnel jute maybe?

    Alan T.

    ( edit: Looks like you beat me to it, Kats )

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    Hi,

    I want to know one thing,this side sill carpet I bought from Mr.NISHI together my all the interior carpets and jute pads.

    My march 1970 240Z's side sills are black plastic made.
    But I saw Mr.WATANABE's dec 1969 fairlady Z432 got carpets
    for its side sill.

    Fairlady Zs got carpets for their side sills?
    How about U.S. and CANADA Zs?Should they get carpets?
    Or like mine,plastic is original?

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    Alan,you right!!

    What a quick answer!!
    And please answer for my question about side sill trims.

    Thank you

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    Hi Kats,
    Well, as far as I know ( mainly about the Japanese market and UK market cars ) there were the following differences:

    Fairlady Z had plastic ( 'Leather' grain print ) side side trims - along with rubber mats ( no carpet ).

    Fairlady Z-L had carpet side sill trims - along with full carpets.

    Fairlady 240Z and Fairlady 240Z-L ( from late 1971 ) followed the same pattern.

    HOWEVER, I can see that some customers could specify plastic side sill trims and rubber mats as an option on even the Fairlady Z-L. You could consider this a 'downgrade' option, but I should imagine it was necessary for practical reasons in some areas with a lot of rain / mud?

    For the UK market ( according to the Parts List books ) I can see that the rubber side sill trim was also specified on some cars as an option.

    I have seen SOME of the UK market cars with rubber side sill trims and carpet on the floors / deck area. Confusing isn't it?

    I have one NOS rubber side sill trim in my stock of spare parts, but it is for an LHD car - so there must have been some LHD cars that had these fitted as standard equipment.

    As you know, I don't know too much about the USA market cars -so somebody else needs to give you some help on that side of things.

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    Fairlady Z432 followed most trim spec from Fairlady Z-L. ( that's why Watanabe san's 432 has carpet side sill trims ).

    Fairlady Z432-R followed most trim spec from Fairlady Z.

    So 432 would have carpet side sill trims and 432-R would have plastic side sill trims.

    Unless the owners wanted to specify the opposite option.

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    Kats, Alan,

    I have "rubber" side sill trim and rear deck mat remaining from original. Leather texture. The rubber floor mats, if original, were replaced with carpeting long ago. I have never seen rubber floor mats, but I understand the driver mat had the Datsun logo pressed into the surface texture.

    Nice tunnel insulation, kats. I plan to cut new material from that pattern. My old material is indeed "soaked" in a tacky, sticky substance.
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    Originally posted by HS30-H
    I have seen SOME of the UK market cars with rubber side sill trims and carpet on the floors / deck area. Confusing isn't it?
    Alan T.
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    So, as I suspected might be true, many of the early Export cars had the rubber side sill trim - but carpets on the floor and rear deck area.

    I wonder whether this is the spec that Kats needs to replicate?

    If you have not seen the Japanese home market rubber floor mats and rear deck, then I will lay mine out and photograph them for you. These ones did NOT have the Z logo on them. They are from a base-spec Fairlady Z, and are destined to be used in my 432-R replica project car.

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    Hi Kats,

    I have a Z that could be the twin sister to yours. It is HLS30-05341, blt 6/70. It is blue with the blue interior. The side sills are covered in a thick black vinyl material. US spec cars did not have carpet in that area.

    I also have an early 71, HLS30-18420, which has the same material on the side sills.

    Actually every US Spec 240Z I have seen, has had this same vinyl material on the side sills. The floors and the rear deck rear had carpets. Rubber front floor mats were available as a "Dealer Option". I believe they were actually manufactured or sold by a company called ADCO. They had a few optional accessories for the 240Z back then.

    26th Z, do you know of a US source for the jute material?

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    Alan and 26th-Z,

    As I see the Nov 1969 service manual(HLS30) and the May 1970 service bulletin(HLS30) and Oct 22nd 1969 press kit,I can see these,

    #1 May 1970 service bulletin, there is a rubber mat with datsun logo on the drivers front floor,I think this is almost same as japanese rubber mat,the difference is only with logo or without logo.

    #2 Nov 1969 service manual,there is a rubber mat on the rear deck,also this is formed leather touch surface.

    #3 but in the manual,the rear deck mat looks different in another page.This mat is very very similar the one is still available in japan,light grey and very short cut pile surface not rubber mat but fabric surface mat.The first service bulletin (Nov1969?)in japan shows this light grey mat.

    #4 Oct 22nd 1969 press kit,the rear deck mat seems to me made of rubber,the reason is, it is reflecting camera's flash very well,looks rubber.But I am not 100% for sure.

    #5 I saw a Nov 1969 HLS30(forgot chassis number, 0048X? anyway late 400s)in japan 2years ago,that has rubber mats for rear floor,behind seats(tool lid area)

    Onething we have to mind,factory manuals is not always true.
    HLS30's manual sometimes show the japanese Z's photo,viceversa.

    My guessing,1969 HLS30 has rubber mats for floor front and rear,
    for the reardeck,rubber mat or light grey mat I do not know.

    I put a photo of light grey mat which I used to have,I am wondering this is the one which I saw in the service manuals.

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    Alan,

    I have the rear deck mat and was going to make photographs this weekend. I would love photographs of the floor mats and now kats has piqued my interest for the finish of the floor behind the seat and up to the rear bulkhead. I know all the early cars in my vicinity have carpeting mixed with side rubber and deck rubber. It is common to see carpeting over the rear deck rubber as in my car. I understand the floor mats are held in place with snap grommets and I have them in the old firewall insulation.

    I don't think an 'L' version was available in the early days of American importation. I know my car was pre-purchased immediately after the New York Auto Show and would have been a "here's what you bought" version! I must retrieve the sales literature from the safe deposit box and see if any of the photographs show that detailed an interior finish.

    Personally, I'm going to finish the car with carpeting as kats has done, keeping the rubber side rocker mats. They are glued in place.

    Thanks for the pictures of the 432-R. After looking at them, I have a million questions / observations for future discussions.
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    the light grey mat's back view,it is combined with semi clear plastic seat.
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    Marty,
    I'm working on a jute source, and currently waiting for a sample.

    Kats,

    Yes, that is the shape of the rear deck mat.
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    the mat is made very profesional work,is not it?See the triming around edge.
    But I do not know this is factory original.

    Hello Marty!
    Thank you so much for letting me know.The rubber mat I saw on ebay was amco,but slightly looks different from service bulletin's one,I will post tomorrow.

    Thank you,
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    Ok guys, We are talking about three different things!

    Kats, your mat is carpet with a clear backing. My mat is simply rubber - light grey, leather texture.

    Marty,
    AMCO is an aftermarket company and sold floor mats to protect the carpeting.
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    26thZ,

    Sorry if that was confusing. I meant to say that the AMCO rubber floor mats were meant to go on top of the OEM carpeting to protect it. I would like to get a set of those, but they are getting very rare.

    Marty

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    Yea Marty,

    I haven't seen them in a long time. I was talking to Les Canaday a couple of weeks ago about the rubber material. He says he can get close to the texture with sheet material he has. Might call him at Classic Datsun.

    I also want to note that the rocker side rubber is slightly molded to conform to the chassis shape, especially near the seat belt mount.
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    Hello Alan,

    Thank you very much for your replying.
    Now I am clear for side sill trims.And my opinion,HLS30 have both
    nature of fairlady Z(even some of them Z423R) and ZL.They are mixed into HLS30.(In this thread when I say Z means fairladyZ,the basic model for japanese market price was the lowest Alan sometimes mentions)
    HLS30's carpet looks like Z-L,But 1969HLS30's rubber mat looks like Z,side sill too,and 1969HLS30 does not have rear glass defogger,this looks like Z.The 240Z showing in the press kit does not have a clock,radio,anntena do have ruuber mat for front floors and I guess on the rear deck.These points look like Z.
    And Z432R has a beautifull knob for the fuel lid which same as early HLS30 has.

    Today I show you rubber mats I bought from the U.S. by ebay.
    These are amco,I sometimes put them in my car but its shape
    is something different from the ones which I saw in many cars.

    Are they for 240Z?
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    Hello Kats:

    The shape of the rubber mats that you posted is different than the ones I have seen in 240Z at auto shows in the US. I believe that these mats may be for use in a different Datsun model.

    By the way, Thank you for posting so many wonderful pictures and information on the early Z cars of all types. Oh, and your car looks very nice. Congratulations!


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    It took me a while, kats. Here is a photo of my original jute for the tunnel.
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    This is the rubber deck mat from my car. The material for the rocker panels is the same. This is a composit foam vinyl with an solid inner skin and a thicker textured outer skin. Very thin, I would guess it is 2mm
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    And the leather texture
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    Originally posted by kats

    Today I show you rubber mats I bought from the U.S. by ebay.
    These are amco,I sometimes put them in my car but its shape
    is something different from the ones which I saw in many cars.

    Are they for 240Z?
    Thank you,
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    I'm tearing apart a 280Z parts car right now, and I found these mats in it. I bought the car in 1994, and the drivers mat is obviously worn, so they were probably purchased in the 80's sometime, or maybe came with the car. The car is a '78. There are no manufacturer markings on them. Were mats like these available from Datsun for later Z's? They are a nice heavy rubber, and are actually in really good shape except for the wear.

    Anybody know where these would have come from?
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    I thought this might be of interest.

    Its a scan of a page from Nissan Publication No.184 ( "Z-1" ) dated November 1969, which was for the Japanese market.

    The translation of the numbered items is as follows:

    1 = FRONT MAT
    2 = REAR MAT
    3 = TUNNEL MAT
    4 = FRONT JUTE
    5 = REAR JUTE
    6 = TUNNEL JUTE
    7 = FRONT INSULATOR
    8 = REAR INSULATOR
    9 = TUNNEL INSULATOR

    The notes underneath detail the differences between the S30-S ( Fairlady Z basic no-frills model ) and the higher-specs of the S30 ( Fairlady Z-L ) and PS30 ( Fairlady Z432 ).

    They describe "Asphalt Jute" and "Happo Enbi / Enka Vinyl" ( Chloridated Vinyl mat ) as standard equipment for the S30-S. "Happo" could be translated as 'bubbly' with a little imagination - so this sounds like a description of the cross-section of the rubberised / vinyl mat.

    Second part of the note states that the S30 and PS30 had carpet as standard equipment.
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    There is also a page regarding the rear stowage and tool compartments:
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    Originally posted by HS30-H
    The translation of the numbered items is as follows:

    1 = FRONT MAT
    2 = REAR MAT
    3 = TUNNEL MAT
    4 = FRONT JUTE
    5 = REAR JUTE
    6 = TUNNEL JUTE
    7 = FRONT INSULATOR
    8 = REAR INSULATOR
    9 = TUNNEL INSULATOR

    Hi Alan:

    Thanks for posting the scan, but I am wondering about the descriptions as they relate to the Numbered pieces. Something seems a bit off. #9 is listed as "tunnel insulator", but the item shown as #9 doen't go on the tunnel, it is a piece for the rear area behind the seats. Items labeled as #4,5,6 seem to be "tunnel pieces", yet the description indicates tunnel pieces as being #3,6,9 . There are other pieces that appear to be mis-labeled. Is it just me not understanding or is there something fishy?

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    Hi Carl,
    Well spotted!

    I didn't actually notice this until you pointed it out, but the captions are actually wrong. I translated them in the order that they appear in the list, but when you compare the descriptions to the numbered pieces its clear that Nissan have cocked it up.

    Here's a corrected list:

    1 = FRONT MAT ( should be numbered 3 )
    2 = REAR MAT ( should be numbered 7 )
    3 = TUNNEL MAT ( should be numbered 6 )
    4 = FRONT JUTE ( should be numbered 2 )
    5 = REAR JUTE ( should be numbered 8 )
    6 = TUNNEL JUTE ( should be numbered 5 )
    7 = FRONT INSULATOR ( should be numbered 1 )
    8 = REAR INSULATOR ( should be numbered 9 )
    9 = TUNNEL INSULATOR ( should be numbered 4 )

    Does that make sense?

    They are calling the black tar-board the "Insulator", and the Jute is the filling in the sandwich between the Insulator and the "Mat".

    Cheers!
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    Originally posted by HS30-H
    They are calling the black tar-board the "Insulator", and the Jute is the filling in the sandwich between the Insulator and the "Mat".

    Cheers!
    Alan T.
    Hi again Alan:

    When you say "black tar-board" are you meaning the thin material that is actually stuck to the metal floorpans? I'll explain why I ask.

    Now we're getting to something that I have been wondering about since Kats posted the pictures of his "jute" pads. On my US Spec 240Z which I bought in un-molested condition from the original owner and equiped with carpet; there is the black "tar-board" stuck to the metal floor, then there are TWO pads, and then carpet. The lower layer of "pad" is dark and sticky as some have described, and then the upper pad is light or tan colored and not sticky. This upper pad installed in my car looks like the item called "jute" by kats and shown in his pictures. The Transmission tunnel of my car only has the "tar-board" (significantly thicker than the tar-board on the floorpans), and the dark, sticky pad and then the diamond vinyl adhered directly to it, not the three layers shown in the illustration (unless the "Mat" is the vinyl).

    I'm wondering if the US Spec HLS models had different (or additional) padding to what was supplied on models for other markets?

    I hope that you don't mind Alan, but I've attached a modified version of the illustration that you posted with the corrections to the captions included in the image. If you don't like what I've done, I can delete it or modify it to suit you
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    Hello Carl,

    I think you have it described very well. The "INSULATOR" is what we are calling tar mat. It is thick (2mm) tar-paper adhered to bare metal covering the floor, tunnel, and I have seen it on the rear deck (HLS30-00332). I have new "INSULATOR" material and it is flexible, but will not fold as it is impregnated with a fibrous filler. I suspect the tar mat will adhere to the floor with a heat gun application. It was used for sound insulation. I understand the 432-R did not have this material for weight reasons, Alan?

    Kats' jute pictures show a light brown fibrous "JUTE" mat. I think our old stuff was soaked in a solution that leaves it "sticky" and dark (see my tunnel jute picture), but it is very fibrous almost like a horse hair material. Old Porsche jute is very similar. The jute covers the floors, tunnel, and rear deck.

    Now here is where it gets a little strange. I understand that the stock original 240Z import came with "rubber" floor and rear deck mats. See my picture of the rear deck mat. It has a leather texture, 2mm thick foam composite vinyl. Mdbrandy's picture looks like the floor mats, but I need to confirm.

    The tunnel was covered with diamond patterned interior vinyl, contact cemented to the jute which was contact cemented to the tar mat. The floors and deck were loose laid and the rubber mats were either snap fitted or Velcro fitted. My car has both.

    Evidently, rubber mats were not a big hit in America and carpeting is very common. The Japanese version ZL came with carpeting in place of the rubber mats.

    Take a look at your materials closely. It sounds to me as though you have two layers of jute.

    This picture shows the tunnel jute removed and the tunnel tar mat remaining with remnants of the dark brown jute fiber and yellow contact cement. Notice some of the tar mat (brittle from age) chipped off next to the seat mount revealing bare metal.
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    Evidently, the tar mat was applied before the car was painted. Here is a picture of the tunnel jute over the tunnel tar mat. The interior vinyl was glued directly to the jute.

    Please, no comments about my floors or the firewall insulation. I'm going to fix all that! The tar mat is already off the floors and they are discolored from a rust treatment solution.

    Interestingly, the jute has roller compression marks in it. Perhaps from the application of the sticky solution? The contact cement was also applied mechanically. The cement application is patterend on the fire wall, however it does appear to be a hand applied technique from the sloppiness of the work and drip marks. I imagine a paint roller type of tool used to apply the cement.

    By the way, the cement is yellow, just like the 3M brand of interior and weatherstrip cement.
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    Originally posted by 26th-Z
    I think our old stuff was soaked in a solution that leaves it "sticky" and dark
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    Originally posted by BambiKiller240
    I hope that you don't mind Alan, but I've attached a modified version of the illustration that you posted with the corrections to the captions included in the image............
    Hi Carl,
    Great job! It's much better now.

    Just goes to show that there are indeed quite a lot of mistakes in the Factory publications.

    I'm now wondering about the tar board and how it relates to this illustration in the November 1969 publication no.184 - is the "Insulator" and the tar board one and the same thing, or does the "Insulator" refer to a base layer of Jute with the sticky coating applied to it, underneath a top layer of Jute?

    We must not forget that the illustration and captions from publication no.184 are referring to the Japanese home market cars, and may or may not apply to the earliest of the Export models.

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    Hello,

    Mark,
    This is the first time to see the rubber mat for me.It is quite different from mine.Is there any amco logo on the mat?Mine does not have anywhere.

    Carl and Alan,
    I knew that mistake when I red my service bulletin No.184.
    And it is interesting the picture for the floor mats and jutes are
    very close to actual shape.The picture in the Nov 1969 parts catalog's are not so great.It looks even 1971 later version.

    26th-Z,
    Thank you for your great photo.I see your rear deck does not have insulator,I mean I see 12 holes on the deck.
    My understanding,this is a typical 1969(or Jan 1970) 240Z's featuring.My march 1970 240Z have insulator for the rear deck so holes are covered,just dents like a bowl there.

    I will post my rear deck's photo.

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    Originally posted by kats
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    Mark,
    This is the first time to see the rubber mat for me.It is quite different from mine.Is there any amco logo on the mat?Mine does not have anywhere.
    No, I looked, and there are no manufacturer or brand markings at all. Interesting that yours don't have any either. Chris, you seem somewhat familiar with AMCO; do you know if they marked their products?
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    I've seen a few of the AAMCO mats on auction at eBay over the years, and I do not know if they put their name on the matts, but the ones that I saw looked much different than the ones Mark photographed. The ones I saw had a big "Z" for a logo instead of the "DATSUN" shown on Marks mats. They also were covered with many deep grooves to hold water. I do not know if they made other models of mats for the Z's that were different.

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    26th-Z,
    Thank you for your great photo.I see your rear deck does not have insulator,I mean I see 12 holes on the deck.
    My understanding,this is a typical 1969(or Jan 1970) 240Z's featuring.My march 1970 240Z have insulator for the rear deck so holes are covered,just dents like a bowl there.

    I will post my rear deck's photo.
    Kats

    I look forward to seeing the rear deck on yours. As far as I can tell my April 1970 has the same deck as 26th-z's.

    I'll post a picture (if I can get my digi camera to work!!!)

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    Here's the rear deck on #215 before I tore it all apart...
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    Originally posted by BambiKiller240
    The ones I saw had a big "Z" for a logo instead of the "DATSUN" shown on Marks mats. They also were covered with many deep grooves to hold water.
    Interesting. That's just what the mats in my new 280Z look like. Deep grooves and a big "Z" on them. Have to pull one out and look at it closer. Unfortunately, tonight is "fix the new car" night, since I blew the clutch slave cylinder last night on the way to a local watering hole, and have to replace it now. Actually found a local parts store that had it in stock! But that's another subject...
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    Car HLS30-00332 has tar mat insulation covering the rear deck just as you describe, kats.
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    Hello,

    Thank you very much,26th-Z.I was surprised that 1969 240Z has
    tar mat insulator.

    mdbrandy,yes this is typical 1969 240Z and japanese fairlady-Z.

    abas,your 240Z is april 1970 but yours does not have insulator,this is very interesting and I have to revise my understanding.

    I show my march 1970 240Z's rear deck compartment.
    There is a insulator covering the floor panel.Closely look at around spair tyre bin,you can see the insulator on the floor too.


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    Having just got the remaining jute material from my 1970 car out of storage after 10 years, I thought it might be helpful to post some pictures of what is left as a comparison to the patterns that Kats posted previously, which I think were from a Japanese market car?

    hope this is of help to someone.


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    Thanks Andrew. I made tracings of my old jute for patterns. I have the tunnel jute pattern as well. Your photos will be valuable to me as I compare what I was able to salvage to your "pristine" examples. Has anyone found a proper replacement material? I received a sample from LeBaron Bonney and it is not the same material.
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    No problem 26thz, let me know if you need any better pictures. I have the rear deck jute too but I think Kats pictures are the same as mine.

    Most of the new jute I have looked at over here is also not quite the same, but I keep on looking.

    Hope the z convention goes well.


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    Andrew, can you please confirm the thicknesses of the original jute. Is the thickness the same for the floors, tunnel and deck ?

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    I'll check and post back. I've also just PM'ed you.

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    Am I right to suggest that there is also a piece of jute underneath the diamond vinyl that sits behind the tool boxes ?

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    Dave

    If you mean the vertical diamond vinyl behind the tool boxes, then no, there is no vertical jute at that point. The vinyl is just stuck to the vertical surface using contact adhesive or similar.

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    Andrew, exactly what I thought until I noticed a piece of jute (item 15) on microfiche section no. 113-4 ? I guess this was never actually used ? Perhap the US boys can shed some light when they wake up in the morning ! Dave

    PS. I started to insulate my Z with self-adhesive (500mm sq) rubber - looks great ! Soon be cutting the jute - any luck with the thicknesses ?

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    I'll have to do some research, but to the best of my knowledge, the vinyl is glued directly to the rear bulkhead behind the tool boxes and seats. I have a piece of black - used. Do you want it?
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    Originally posted by DJACEY(UK)

    PS. I started to insulate my Z with self-adhesive (500mm sq) rubber - looks great ! Soon be cutting the jute - any luck with the thicknesses ?
    Dave

    I'd like to see the rubber flooring, I presume you are not bringing your 70 car to Japfest?

    I don't have a fiche to hand so I'm not sure which jute you mean. I think from what 26-thz has said it is the same as mine ( ie no jute). You have me intrigued however as to this extra piece of jute

    I have been going through my storage to get the rear deck jute and hopefully I will find it and get you the spec tonight.

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    I'll email you the picture of jute assy.
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    Thanks Dave

    I has looked at the rear deck jute and it appears to be the same material as the rest of the jute. Did you want me to measure the thickness?

    Are you still going to Japfest this Saturday?


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    Andrew, yes I will be at Japfest but minus both my 240Z (who know when this will be ready ?) & 260Z (ready for collection in a couple of weeks). I should finish installing the rubber soundproofing soon so I'll take a picture when I've finished.

    I've finally been successful in posting the attachment ! Item 15 is described as 'Jute - Front Floor Rear'. What do yuo think ?

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    Dave

    I must say you have me stumped there. It looks as you describe, a piece of jute attached to the vertical face behind the tool boxes, under the diamond vinyl, which my car did did not have ( at least, when I bought it, it didn't).

    I'm sure some of the other series 1 owners might be able to help, and hopefully they will chime in.


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    In the years since this post was new has anyone found a source for the style jute that Kats used? I've spend a considerable amount of time looking for a source and haven't gotten anywhere. Did find a company in Vancouver, BC that lists it on their website but haven't been able to get a return call and emails get returned as undeliverable.

    Any info would be a huge help!!!

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    Jute for the 240Z was a black licked latex coated one side material often found in British sportscars. The black latex lick goes on top and the natural jute goes toward the body of the car. I managed to purchase some jute from a company in Ontario, Canada who imports this material direct from the United Kingdom, thus it is often referred to as English Jute. There is also a company as you mentioned in Vancouver, BC Canada that is primarily an upholstery service rather than a supplier. They have shown much resistance in selling to the general public, as it seems they deal with the trade people only. I must say that this jute material is exactly like the original 240Z material and is much darker, (with all due respect to Katz), than that of the material I have seen in this post. If originality is paramount for you, then this English jute is for you. There is a reason the more expensive European sportscars use it, as water just seems to bead over the black latex coat. It also possesses excellent sound deadening qualities to it as well.

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    Redzedsled,

    Can you post some pictures of the 'English jute' that you have? I believe the company in Vancouver sells the light tan colored jute (similar to what Kats used), but as you said, they don't like to deal directly with the public. Other places online sell a similar tan jute and I was wondering if some type of coating could be applied to more closely match the original, but it sounds like the type you have found is a better match as is. I'm curious to see what it looks like.

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    Here is the source... judge for yourself! Rob

    http://www.carcarpets.co.uk/underfelt-11-c.asp

    Another source for you...
    http://www.macgregorukcarparts.com/M...e=MINI-cockpit
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    Thanks the the photos and info; it looks great. All the original 240Z jute I have seen has been the same uniform dark brown color, so maybe what Nissan used originally was completely dipped and not just coated on one side? Regardless, you only see one side once it is in place, and only under the seats, or if you lift the carpet up, so what you have found would work fine. What is the thickness of the English jute?

    I just did an internet search, but only saw that type of jute listed by the place in Vancouver (Heritage trim) and by Zeddsaver. However, someone I know ordered jute from Zeddsaver and what he received was actually a couple of different types of material, none of which was the coated English jute that he describes on his site (same as your description) and none was cut to original patterns.

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