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    Hi everyone,

    Today I am asking everyone about very rare 240Z emblems.
    Earliest 240Z owner(like 1969)may already know,quater emblems
    and a rear deck emblem "240Z" are different from later ones.
    The letter "Z" is in chrome plated not painted white inlay.

    I did not know about this first,my friend Jeff told me recently.He also showed the rare emblems in degital photos,they are available on my website at http://www.geocities.jp/datsunz903/

    A week ago,I happend to see this in japanese yahoo auction and
    no other japanese Z owner was interested in it,I got it.

    I know the earliest 240Z got this chrome "Z" emblem,according to
    the first sales brochure's top page in the U.S.Also japanese magazine showed this early emblems.

    But how much 240Zs have this emblem?Jeff told me in the "Nissan consumer guid"said up to HLS30-02500 have this earliest emblem.
    If so,and plese let me know who has this emblem and VIN number.I want to know so much.

    Thank you,
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    The badging that I took off #215 has the white Z. That, of course means nothing as to what it might have originally had, but the badges were metal.
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    Oh.. I didnt know about the early badges. Good little extra bit of information to know! Thanks for sharing.

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    The badging on my Australian delivered HS30 00145 has a white Z. Maybe the Aussie delivered models differed in that they did not reach our shores until 1970.



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    My 71' HS30 00352 has a white "B"pillar badge also. It too is from Aussie.
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    Not wishing to steal your thunder, Kats - but I think the earliest type of B pillar emblem on the 432 is possibly the rarest of all the Z emblems.

    It was round, and looks very similar to the later 'vent' type of B pillar emblem fitted to all the later models, BUT if you look at it closely its not actually a vent at all......
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    Don't feel bad, mdbrandy. I KNOW my badging is the later style. There was no badging at all on my car when I bought it.

    Kats, do you have the chromed plastic thumb latch for the fuel door? The later styles were chromed metal and closed in the horizontal position. The early ones were chromed plastic and closed in the verticle position.
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    Interesting information. This site always amazes me with the info that pours forth. On my HLS3002126 (USA) the emblems in question are the chrome version.

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    Originally posted by 240ZX
    Interesting information. This site always amazes me with the info that pours forth. On my HLS3002126 (USA) the emblems in question are the chrome version.
    Can I have them ?
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    Oh yea! I would be interested in set of the chrome Z's also.
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    Caution....sharks in the water after chrome emblems!!!! Man, it's a go thing I live on the other side of the country. Guys, these emblems are on my Z, wish I had some to offer to you.

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    Originally posted by 240ZX
    Guys, these emblems are on my Z, wish I had some to offer to you.
    Well, now, I knew that, but I had to ask!

    Anybody that has some that AREN'T on their cars?

    Right....
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    Restoration sharks are the worst, aren't they?
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    om the querter emblem on some 240s they say 240 on em my 71 is the oinly one ive seen that doesnt. maby the po put the ones on from the 280 can someone tell me what its suposed to have?

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    Originally posted by billramsey2002
    can someone tell me what its suposed to have?
    If yours is round with a Z in the middle, it is covering the quarter panel vent. This is what is supposed to be there if you do not have the vented hatch (thin, horizontal vents on either side under the window on the hatch) .
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    Thank you all,

    My HLS30-02156 (03/70)had white Z emblems before a restoration.I think they were original but now I am not sure because
    when I was told about "NISSAN consumer guide(orange 240Z on the top cover) " says aprroximately 2500 240Zs from the begining
    have chrome Z emblem.

    To see the parts catalog,the first piller emblems are,

    76807(8)-E4600 up to 01/70
    76807(8)-E4601 from 02/70
    76807(8)-E4602 up to 12/70

    I guess chrome Z is -E4600,but it is only up to 01/70.
    According to Carl Beck's web page data,and my reserch from the NISSAN shatai factory, it is clear that up to 01/70 can not reach 2500 240Zs.My english makes sence?

    So I was skeptical about "NISSAN consumer guide".
    But hi,240ZX!!Your 240Z is very close VIN to my Z,only 30 240Zs are between of ours.And you have got chrome Z emblem!!

    Now I want to slide to chrome Z emblems on my 240Z.

    Alan,I need your help about fairlady's emblem parts number.
    Because I found very very early fairlady-Z(like showing in the press photo and the first brochure or showed up at the day for journalists of pre-annuncement)has different piller emblem as you posted here.
    The difference is very small.Coloring is different,looking at the Alan's photo, around Z is just black.But the press photo of I post here,around Z there is a silver round triming.Can you see what I am talking about?

    I think there is some relation between chrome 240Z emblem and
    very very early fairlady-Z emblem.Their change had made at same time?Anyway why NISSAN changed these small things on such an early day?Once I asked Mr.MATSUO about this,but he just did not remember.

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    press photo of Z432R.Also very early quater Z emblem.

    Hi 26th-Z,I did not know the fuel lid knob is made of plastic on the 1969 240Z!I noticed knob is closed at vertical position seeing many photo or magazine of earliest 240Z's driving impression.

    This Z432R has also vertical closed position.This proves this car is very very early production.
    Do you know so many japanese envy fuel lid knob because it is only equipped on Z432R in japan.So hard to see this in japan,other japanese S30 has key-locked fuel lid.
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    same press photo but this is fairlady-ZL.
    Also very eraly quater Z emblem.

    Note this Z has key-locked fuel lid.
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    Here is Alan's nice photo again to compare easily.

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    Kats,
    How difficult is it to obtain the lock shown on the last photo? I have seen very few on the U.S. sold S-30's. It may have been a dealer swapped option, but I remember having seen them on the Z's I saw in Okinawa early on.
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    I do remember that my 70 240Z had a locking gas door. I purchased it in Jan 1970. I wish I could remember the vin. Hell, I was only 19 then. I bought a 72 two years later and two thngs I remember was the 70 had a locking gas door, the 72 didn't, and the 72 had a rear window defroster while the 70 didn't. Like I said on another thread, Datsun bought the 70 back from me for what I paid for it, two years later! I think they knew then what I know now!
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    My 71 has the latch as well as one of the 72's (very early car) and the late 72 has none. The 73 I had I do remember having the locking cover, as it froze up once in the winter and I had a %^## of a time getting it open when I was running around on fumes.

    Don't know if it was a dealer add on or not, as I've seen a few of the locking gas doors but not many.
    Another assembly line mystery maybe?
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    I'll have to get some pictures for you kats. The metal latches have smooth rounded edges, and the plastic latches are square cut without any taper or roundness(?) to the edges. #16 has a plastic one and my car used to have the plastic thumb latch, but after 30 years..... I was trying to clean it and broke it. The plastic latch looks as though it was a part for prototype before refined for production.

    I was talking to Chloe about the gas door locks and didn't realize how unique they are. I suspect they were keyed with the doors and deck lid - seperate from the ignition?

    Back to the subject - too bad the part number is not on the part! I think you have a good explanation of E4600, chrome Z, but I don't think the dates apply exactly to production. Only to part inventory. My explanation would be that E4601 was placed into service 2/70 and used after the E4600 part supply on the production line ran out. That would explain why later cars would have an earlier part. I don't know this, but if there were several production lines, parts on one line may have been different from parts on another line depending on how fast they were used up. One line may have started using E4601 as soon as it was available while another line may have used E4600 through 3/70.

    After discussing this with you, kats, and thinking "unique is a good thing", I am inclined to use the chrome Zs.
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    Originally posted by kats
    Here is Alan's nice photo again to compare easily.

    kats
    Is that the rear quater badge? Looks like the fairlady bonnet badge too..

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    Originally posted by kats
    Alan,I need your help about fairlady's emblem parts number.
    Because I found very very early fairlady-Z(like showing in the press photo and the first brochure or showed up at the day for journalists of pre-annuncement)has different piller emblem as you posted here.
    kats
    Hi Kats,
    I always thought that the cars in the Japanese press-release photos, which were shown to journalists at the press-only launch prior to the Tokyo Auto Show, carried some details that were not 100% finalised. Its easy to imagine that some of the emblems / badges might have been pre-production samples or even models - put on the cars because the final production items had not yet been finished..... I have not seen the pillar emblems that were seen on the press / show cars actually fitted to any 'production' version car.

    I have two sets of part numbers for the emblems fitted to the Japanese-market cars:

    *76807-E4100 ORNAMENT - rear quarter ( R.H. )
    *76808-E4100 ORNAMENT - rear quarter ( L.H. )

    superseded by:

    *76807-E8200 ORNAMENT - rear quarter ( R.H. )
    *76808-E8200 ORNAMENT - rear quarter ( L.H. )
    ( from C# S30-04551 & PS30-00401 )

    The E8200 numbers are the VENTED type emblem. I knew the vented type emblems were handed left and right ( I've often seen them fitted the wrong way around! ) but I did not realise that the non-vented type were handed too. You learn something new every day.

    If there were two part numbers for the early non-vented type emblem then it would be easy to establish a pattern to the story. However, as there are not, I suspect its more a case of the earliest versions being modified in production without a change to the part number........

    Incidentally, I have found THREE part numbers for the Fuel Filler Lid closings:

    *78820-E4100 CYLINDER ASS'Y - fuel filler lid
    *78820-E8200 CYLINDER ASS'Y - fuel filler lid
    ( what's the difference between these two? )

    And then this one, which was quoted as being for the 432-R:
    *84360-E4602 LOCK ASS'Y - fuel filler lid
    ( which I presume is in fact the non-locking turn button type, despite its description ).

    I think we can't ignore the fact that we might be looking at pre-production or mock-up emblems, first-production types, and then 'improved' or cost-reduced versions - ALL without any difference in part number, and with varying consistency in fitment to cars as they came off the line. All very confusing when we try to make sense of it retrospectively......

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    Originally posted by Mr Camouflage
    Is that the rear quater badge? Looks like a bonnet badge.
    They look very similar at first glance, but they are in fact quite different. They have quite different part numbers too.

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    have a break
    I will be back soon.

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    Originally posted by kats
    have a break
    I will be back soon.

    kats
    Is that a set of "D" hubcaps under the table behind your cute kid, kats?
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    Yea. Isn't that great? Hey kats - the Z is white! Too cute.

    Oh! I forgot...I called this morning and HLS30-00016 has a chrome Z.
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    To Billramsey2002

    In reply to your question on why your Zed has the circular "Z" badge on the B pillar.

    Series 1 240'z have the 240Z badge and series 2 have the Z badge. The change over came in early 71. Series 1 cars also have the rear hatch vents and other detail changes mainly inside, but they are lighter.

    There seems to be a lot of variation between the "inbetween" cars so you might have a mix of both. It wouldn't be the first time.
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    Ya know guys, I took a look at my emblem last night just to make sure my memory was working and guess what, I lied.....the 240 part of the emblem is chrome but the center of the Z is painted white. Sorry to get ya all excited over nothing.

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    Originally posted by 240ZX
    Ya know guys, I took a look at my emblem last night just to make sure my memory was working and guess what, I lied.....the 240 part of the emblem is chrome but the center of the Z is painted white. Sorry to get ya all excited over nothing.
    Rats, and I was going to hop a plane and pry them off your car!
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    240ZX,
    I was excited but thank you for letting us know the truth.Do not
    worry I enjoyed a dream about my installing chrome Z.
    But I do not give it up,some one up to HLS30-02500 may has chrome "Z".I would like to hear about it.

    Alan,thank you for your great search for the part number.
    I have to know yes,the car like showing the press photo is a very rare and may have a lot of unsusal parts.
    For example,hood bumper stay #63840-E4100 which is located at both sides of inspection lid is a very different shape in the 1969 240Z.Even more some cars on the press photo do not have ones.Nothing there!!

    And parts change is notified a few months later is a common I found.For example,quater emblems#76807(8)-E4600 was listed
    on the first issued catalog(Nov1969) and continued on the first revision(Mar1970).On the second revision(Jun1970)the part number was surperseded but it says it was made Feb1970.
    So in the factory,they changed parts first,parts catalog followed their change.

    Mr.NISHI(proffetional restorer in japan)said japanese S30's first parts catalog was not issued until early 1970.
    I guess the reason of quater emblems (before the quater vented)for failady-Z has only one part-number is the parts catalog was issued after the emblems had changed.The rare "press photo emblem"was already disapered when the parts catalog was issued.However nissan may change parts itself without change its parts number.

    civ104 and 26th-Z,

    The lock lid is a standerd in japanese S30.And you can open it with same key for door key.When Z started to use all-in-one key,you can open it with the key also for ignition,door,etc.
    But I am not for sure in the U.S.,if you install a lock for a lid at dealer,you may have a extra key for the lid?

    240znz and dazza,
    Thank you for your inputs.I want to see chrome "z" from your country and U.K. also.If it becomes true,it will be another new findings.

    Photo from press day 25th Nov 1969.This Z has colored interior.If body is Blue,interior is blue.If green,interior is tan.
    Can you see 240Z emblem got"chrome Z"

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    close-up view of same car from same book

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    Mr Camouflage,
    I agree what you thought.fairlady's quater emblem is very similar to its bonnet emblem.But I show this time,your saying becomes ture.
    This Z is from a brief catalog issued 1969 Tokyo motor show for its debut.I found this Z has got a quater emblem on its bonnet!!This is a completely mistake.I asked this to Mr.MATSUO and he said emblems had not made until just a few days before the photo mission.Mr.KATAYAMA felt so much difficulty for naming about export model this is one of the reason,and also design staff was so busy this is another reason,Mr.MATSUO said.

    The younger staff ran to the studio like a pizza deliverly staff with emblems in his hands.So this mistake happend.


    P.S. My son got a 240Z emblem and dash side ventirator from my parts box.When I found it,it was too late.They are now his toys!!

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    This is a true bonnet emblem.Very similar.

    mdbrandy,the hubcaps under the table are not "D"mark version.
    They are for japanese S30.Instead of a "D" there is a hexagonal silver mark on the center.These I do not need anymore,I bought these for my Z before I got correct "D" caps.
    If I list them on ebay,how much people will be looking at?
    I listed once on japanese yahoo auction,no one made a bid.
    I was sad..

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    Originally posted by kats
    mdbrandy,the hubcaps under the table are not "D"mark version.
    They are for japanese S30.Instead of a "D" there is a hexagonal silver mark on the center.These I do not need anymore,I bought these for my Z before I got correct "D" caps.
    If I list them on ebay,how much people will be looking at?
    I listed once on japanese yahoo auction,no one made a bid.
    I was sad
    Interesting. Very nice sets of "Z" hubcaps on e-bay seem to go for around $100US plus or minus, depending on how nice they are. The "D" ones go for $400-$500 if they're really nice. I don't know how much Japanese market ones might go for. I'd never even considered that they would be different! (that's another reason I love this site - the first time I owned Z's, from 1978-1989, there was no way to get an international perspective on the history!). Anyway, the shipping would probably be the killer!
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    Sorry to take so long getting back to this. Somebody needs to coach me through the quote insert part. I don't know how to insert a quote.

    Hello Alan!
    You listed some part numbers for fuel door locks. You'll get a kick out of this - it is so Datsun. My fiche lists the two thumb latches as 84360-E4601 and later E4602. I believe 01 is plastic and 02 is metal - both chromed. The two 78820-E8200 and E8201 numbers are listed as key cylinder type and optional. No dates are listed and there is no 78820-E4100 listed. So Datsun.

    I'll mention this for interest. I don't know what you think of the idea, but molds can be made of the emblem / badges and reproductions cast - easily in plastic. I am casting plastic and rubber parts. It is quite likely that a chrome finish could be applied to the plastic casting.

    Hey kats! Please post a picture of the hubcaps. I would like to see what they look like.
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    Originally posted by 26th-Z
    Somebody needs to coach me through the quote insert part. I don't know how to insert a quote.
    Pick the post you want to reply to and click the quote button. You can then delete the parts of the original post that you don't want. Since the quote part is just a special HTML tag you can quote anything you want if you like. For example

    Never posted by 26th-Z
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    Default Fairlady Z vs 240Z

    I believe I had seen it in a Video on the Z's (maybe the History Channels) that the Z's were shipped over as Fairlady Z's (or badgeless I can't recall I'll watch the video later) and the 240Z badges were added here in the states because they felt the Americans would like the Fairlady bit. Am I mistaken? Kat's and Alan, were they only Fairlady Z's on your sides of the pond?

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    Hi Nate,

    Thank you,
    It is very interesting story,Alan T. said similar things some months ago I remember. I am interested in this story,could you or some one tell it more?

    And you are asking do I have only fairlady-Z in japan?Sorry I do not have a dictionaly in my hand here,I want to know"side of the pond".

    Hi 26th-Z,I started a new thread for fairlady-ZL hub caps,
    please visit here,

    http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/s...5932#post75932

    Thank you,
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    "Your side of the pond" is just a term meaning the part of the world you live in. Take care kats.

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    Thank you,Ben!

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    Hey Kats,

    "Side of the pond"

    A pond is a body of water, like a small lake. In the case, between you and I, the "pond" happens to be the Pacific Ocean
    Between Alan and me is the Atlantic Ocean.

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    Originally posted by MikeW
    Pick the post you want to reply to and click the quote button. You can then delete the parts of the original post that you don't want. Since the quote part is just a special HTML tag you can quote anything you want if you like. For example
    Thanks. Lets see how this works.

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    Thank you Nate,

    What a big "pond"between of us!I am learning english here,without paying a lot of money.

    In japan, only Fairlady badge is used.

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    All this talk about the C-pillar emblems got me curious as to what I had in my drawer in the shop.

    Unfortunately, all the used ones I found have (or had) the white Z, but I did find something that made me happy. The replacement emblems I got from MSA a few years ago for the 71 aren't the cheap plastic ones but the original metal ones.
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    Originally posted by 2ManyZs
    All this talk about the C-pillar emblems got me curious as to what I had in my drawer in the shop.

    The replacement emblems I got from MSA a few years ago for the 71 aren't the cheap plastic ones but the original metal ones.
    So it's true...old dogs always remember where they bury their bones....hmmmmmm.
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    Hi 2ManyZs,

    It is wonderful that metal emblems were available from MSA.
    Also in japan,some fairlady Z metal emblems were available from local Nissan a few years ago.

    My friend in japan gave me a set of quater metal emblem "white Z" 3 years ago,they were needless for him because his Z is a fairlady-ZL.Emblems were NOS,I do not know why he got them ,just curious?

    This photo shows crome Z emblem before cleaning.

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    This morning I washed chrome Z emblem with tooth brash and toothpaste.

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    After washing.Looks fine but some chipings in mat-black paint.
    And a few rust spots on chrome surface.

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    I would like to tell you a interesting old story in japan.

    My friend Dr.SUZUKI(he owns a fairlady-Z since late 1971,his car posted in gallery by Alan T.)told me that back in 1970's policemen were very strict about modified car.When they saw the modified car,they immediately stop the car,then proceed to the inspection.Not only flared fenders but also custom emblems were strictly prohibited.Engine modds were needless to say,neither solex carbs nor dual exaust tubes were allowed.

    However, many young owners tried to make their car something special.
    Once Dr.SUZUKI found tere is a export model S30,and it has DATSUN emblem which never seen in japan.He fallen in love the emblem,he called local nissan to buy the emblem.
    But nissan dealer did not accept his request.Nissan said to him"you do not need them,right?your Z is right-hand drive!"
    Nissan did not want to sell export parts to domestic owner.
    Because they also knew policemen were very strict about modified car.

    Dr.SUZUKI now have got replaced all emblems to DATSUN on his
    fairlady-Z.

    P.S. This photo shows the comparison of chrome Z and white Z.
    Right;chrome Z, Left;white Z.The chrome Z is thicker than white Z.
    Also you can see the difference in the depth of cavity.

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    That's a cute story. Amazing that the Japanese police were that strict! Not even different badges?!?! Wow...

    I find it amusing that people like to change things just because they can. For example, in America and Australia we all like the "Fairlady Z" emblems because they're different, yet in Japan it is popular to have "Datsun" things!

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    I don't know, but the script part of the emblem looks exactly like the 240Z that was on the hatch on the US cars or is it just me?
    I'm just wondering if it would be possible to somehow separate the script portion from the medallion and replace it with the script portion that attached to the hatch, minus the mounting studs....

    Couldn't even change badging? Yikes.... I'd hate to be in a hurry and get pulled over just because a badge didn't match.
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    I have looked at a lot of pictures of Fairlady Z's and many of them have datsun emblems. In my opinion Dr. Suzuki's Z is one of the nicest. I would love to see more pictures of his car.

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    Hi Kats.

    I too have a 240Z emblem with the solid chrome Z. Got it from ebay Australia.
    www.nostalgictrio.com Skyline - Silvia - Fairlady Z
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    Is it wrong then if I wanted to put a BRE spoiler and the "Fairlady" badge on my Zed when it is in America?
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    I guess it is just a matter of personal taste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HS30-H
    Not wishing to steal your thunder, Kats - but I think the earliest type of B pillar emblem on the 432 is possibly the rarest of all the Z emblems.

    It was round, and looks very similar to the later 'vent' type of B pillar emblem fitted to all the later models, BUT if you look at it closely its not actually a vent at all......
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    Kats...

    ahahah your kid is funny... if he keeps watering his car maybe it will turn into a Z?!


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    Quote Originally Posted by NZeder
    432 emblem currently listed in YahooJP see
    432 - badge and also a FairladyZ badge

    I have a set of badges that look just like the Fairlady Z ones above, but are missing the "Z" part of the badge. They are in an orignal Nissan box and state that two are enclosed. I have both, they are metal, and the Z wasn't removed, it just is not included. Anyone know where they are from, or rather what they are suppose to be one?

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    Possibly for a Fairlady 240ZG?

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    Maybe an early Roadster?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SER240Z
    I have a set of badges that look just like the Fairlady Z ones above, but are missing the "Z" part of the badge. They are in an orignal Nissan box and state that two are enclosed. I have both, they are metal, and the Z wasn't removed, it just is not included. Anyone know where they are from, or rather what they are suppose to be one?

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    I am a little curious about this myself. Every one I have seen was on the back lip of the rear spoiler. HS30-H has one on his spoiler. I recall a thread some time ago about emblems on the rear deck and a scan was posted of the emblem page from a RHD parts catalog. but I can't find it.

    According to the gentleman who sold this emblem to me, it may have come from HS30-00026.
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    Simple really.

    They were original equipment on any Fairlady 240Z ( which includes the ZG, as Alfadog pointed out ).

    'Fairlady Z" models got the one-piece emblem with the Z moulded into it from October 1969 onwards ( S30-S, S30, PS30, PS30-SB and upwards etc).

    'Fairlady 240Z' models ( from Oct.71 in Japan ) got a new Fairlady emblem without the Z on the end. This was combined with the '240Z' emblem that was used on the Export models - so a pair of emblems made up the 'Fairlady 240Z' script ( applicable to the HS30-S, HS30, HS30-H and their sub-variants ).

    The 'FairladyZ' emblem was used over a much longer period, and on many more models - so its much more common.

    SER240Z, would you consider selling your metal 'Fairlady' emblems? I would be willing to buy them if you were. A couple of years ago some thieving little lowlife prised off the emblems on the front wings ( fenders ) of my ZG, and I had to use my precious spares to replace them. I could do with another couple of spares in case the same thing happens again ( quite likely here in lovely London )..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by 26th-Z
    According to the gentleman who sold this emblem to me, it may have come from HS30-00026.
    Christopher,
    If this is the one that you bought from the UK recently, then I can tell you EXACTLY what car it came from ( and it was categorically NOT HS30-00026 ).

    I'll contact you directly about it.

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    Example photos of the two different types:
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    Quote Originally Posted by 26th-Z
    HS30-H has one on his spoiler.
    Along with the 240Z ...

    Alan, can you clarify?
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    Thanks Alan, yes. Have you corresponded with him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeW
    Along with the 240Z ...

    Alan, can you clarify?
    Hi Mike,
    I don't understand. Can you clarify what you want me to clarify?

    The emblems on the rear spoiler of my ZG are correct. A 'Fairlady' emblem ( no 'Z' integral ) and a '240Z' emblem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 26th-Z
    Have you corresponded with him?
    Nope. I've got his phone number though.

    I think I'll call him next week some time and see if he is interested in filling in a few gaps. I have a lot of background info from other people.

    I just sent you an e-mail about it. Tell me what you think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HS30-H
    Hi Mike,
    I don't understand. Can you clarify what you want me to clarify?

    The emblems on the rear spoiler of my ZG are correct. A 'Fairlady' emblem ( no 'Z' integral ) and a '240Z' emblem.
    Sorry, I should have been more specific and didn't mean to imply that something wasn't correct. I was really more interested in the overall configuration. Were the two separate emblems used this way only on the spoiler or were there models with this configuration on the hatch itself? I supposed I answered my own question if this is specific to the ZG assuming that the rear spoiler was always present.
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    Ah, OK I see what you mean.

    Well, don't forget that the ZG was supplied without the spoiler in most cases, as were most of the Japanese models in fact.

    The spoilers were often specified as catalogue 'Option' parts, and these were fitted by dealers. When the dealers installed the spoilers, they had to drill the holes to mount them - hence the inconsistency in mounting position that you can see.

    It seems that the spoilers took a while to catch on in Japan, and many cars got them a good while after leaving the showroom.

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    HS30-H,

    Sorry to kick into this thread but Alan I tried to PM you but your message box is full. I am coming up to London just after Easter and I would love to a see a real ZG in the flesh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NZeder
    HS30-H, Sorry to kick into this thread but Alan I tried to PM you but your message box is full. I am coming up to London just after Easter and I would love to a see a real ZG in the flesh.Cheers
    Hi NZeder,
    Sorry about my PM inbox. I've just been there and cleared it out a bit. I'll send you a PM straight away.

    Of course you would be most welcome to come and see my ZG ( you can see a half-built 432R replica and some boxes full of junk too ). Hopefully the weather will be a bit better by that time. I'll have to check dates and see if there are any interesting car-related events worth visiting while you are in the UK.

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    Sorry to be bringing a thread from the past up, but I spent a lot of time just reading all this. GREAT STUFF ALL YOU GUYS FROM WAY BACK WHEN.

    I came upon this thread when searching for part numbers and found a few.

    I am looking for the part numbers for the Fairlady Rear Deck Emblem without the Z and the fairlady fender emblems.

    I have a Series-1 Z ..HLS30-11063 and am looking for the part numbers for the pillar emblems that match my car.

    So far I have found only these...
    90807-E4602 Deck Emblem "240Z"
    90806-E4601 Deck Emblem "Datsun"

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    Welcome to the club and glad you enjoy our topics! I have one of the Z-less Fairlady emblems and they aren't easy to find. Best of luck. I can help you with your pillar emblem questions though. There are several varieties and I'll briefly discuss each.

    76807 / 76808-E4600 - up to 1/70 - probably either solid cast or hollow cast metal and the Z is chromed to match the numerals. There are two different chromed Z castings.

    76807 / 76808-E4601 - from 2/70 to 12/70 - probably the hollow cast metal white painted Z. The Z is recessed in the casting and back painted white. This casting is different from E4600.

    76807 / 76808-E4602 - up to 12/70 replaces 4601 - probably the plastic version of 4601

    76807 / 76808-E8200 - from 1/71 - probably the round vented emblem.

    Hope this helps. Let me know if you find a solid cast chrome Z.
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    Hey buddy, thanks for the input, I was able to track down E4601 and E8200 on both sides. Can't seem to find the original solid Z cast ones yet but if I get a hold of one on my search, I will definately let you know.

    One question that you've probably been asked a million times. You own both of thos 00026/00027? That's freakin cooler than ***t!
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    Yep! 26th has been with me for twenty years and is currently completely apart and her body shell is being dipped / derusted. I found 27th on eBay last summer and she is rusting comfortably in storage while I restore 26th.

    They are both racing green with butterscotch interiors. Both will eventually be restored to "pretty damned original" condition. 26th is scheduled to be enhanced with Nissan / Datsun optional and period correct parts. 27th will go dead stock.

    26th went to the dipping "spa" last November and she is still there. She was supposed to be done in March but there has been a hurricane-or-two delay and I expect her back 100% rust free / bare metal very soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 26th-Z
    ..........26th went to the dipping "spa" last November and she is still there. She was supposed to be done in March but there has been a hurricane-or-two delay and I expect her back 100% rust free / bare metal very soon.
    Isn't hurricane season just around the corner (again)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 26th-Z
    Yep! 26th has been with me for twenty years and is currently completely apart and her body shell is being dipped / derusted. I found 27th on eBay last summer and she is rusting comfortably in storage while I restore 26th.

    They are both racing green with butterscotch interiors. Both will eventually be restored to "pretty damned original" condition. 26th is scheduled to be enhanced with Nissan / Datsun optional and period correct parts. 27th will go dead stock.

    26th went to the dipping "spa" last November and she is still there. She was supposed to be done in March but there has been a hurricane-or-two delay and I expect her back 100% rust free / bare metal very soon.
    That's a pretty frikkin cool story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bambikiller240
    Isn't hurricane season just around the corner (again)?

    YEP! June through September as I recall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texasz
    YEP! June through September as I recall.
    I used to live in Orlando, where there were hurricanes, then I used to live in Austin (Pflugerville actually) and there used to be tornado watches...now I live in California where there are Earthquakes... go figure.

    BTW, Anyone have any information about the deck lid vents on the Series-1 or P/N's for that matter?
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    90950-E4101 - hatch deck grille outer. The plastic ones? The parts books list a self tapping screw, suggesting a different mounting than the molded pins. I have new ones at the shop. I'll check the number. They are plastic. There is a thread in the archives that talks about the grills and vent tubes. The "hoovers" as Chloe used to call them. It goes on and on about how that arrangement is mounted in the hatch. I always wondered if the grills were ever chromed metal; screwed into place.

    This club sells an excellent part reference on Cd. Well worth the investment. I bought one and at great time and cost, printed it out for a three-ring binder. For me, the parts catalogs are a basic requirement. I have tow other catalogs and the illustrations are what make them. Great illustrations.

    Hurricane season starts officially in June. 27th damned near got hit by a tree during our third one last summer. I think one of the reasons 26th is taking so long is because a good part of their roof was blown off. Some times in spring we get cold fronts blow in from the Gulf and they can be serious blasters. We call then "no-name" storms. A no-name was responsible for the Skyway bridge collapse years ago.
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    Probably posted this already in this thread but, I have a solid Z chrome emblem.
    can post pics if people want to see it.

    what do you mean by hollow cast exactly? seems pretty soild to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Camouflage
    Probably posted this already in this thread but, I have a solid Z chrome emblem.
    can post pics if people want to see it.

    what do you mean by hollow cast exactly? seems pretty soild to me.
    Calling all Aussies/NZers...

    In addition to my emblem problem, Nissan Japan stopped shipping in Fairlady Grills and Mirrors. Can anyone get a hold of these?

    I've got the part numbers.
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    Default 240Z boot lid emblem (solid Z)

    76807-E4600 or
    76808-E4600



    Sorry, not for sale
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    my April 1970 car came with the same all chrome z on the rear hatch that Mr Camouflage has just posted. I wondered if that meant it would have originally come with all chrome quarter emblems, but that seems doubtful as they were supposedly only on cars up to 2/70 (per Kats). The car had no quarter emblems on it when I bought it.

    Perhaps the all chrome hatch emblems were in use after the quarter emblems had the white z on them. Seems odd if so.
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