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    Howdy,

    Not too long ago I acquired a 260Z 2+2 parts car, most of which is quite original. I'd put it up in the Aussie section but haven't had too much interest.

    Now what I was wondering, is what parts are worth a reasonable amount, enough that it's worth selling them to other countries for example. Maybe even chucking them on eBay.

    Eg, I had a quick look around at the prices of tail lights and it seems they fetch quite a decent amount.

    I'm not looking to make a killing off it, but I could use the extra $ as I'm a poor uni student.

    Anything worth while?
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    datto-zed

    It seems a lot of z's are worth more as spares than complete cars
    as there seem to be quite a few people who are breaking z's and ebaying the bits. Especially it seems the 2+2 as it is not seen as sporty as the 2 seater.

    Assuming Aussie market cars are pretty much the same as in the UK just a few of the most sought after bits off a 2+2 are the bits that will go on a 2 seater, I am thinking of:

    engine and gearbox
    r200 diff and mountings
    front wings
    cowl panel
    rear lights as you have said
    suspension and steering items
    dashboard
    I'm not sure about the hatch, but I know the doors are unique to the 2+2

    there are probably a load of interior items that are interchangeable with 260z 2 seaters.

    If you are thinking about shipping abroad, I would think only smaller items would be practical due to the higher cost of international shipping. I thought there was still quite a lot of interest in z's still in OZ though.

    Surprisingly in the UK the 2+2 is becoming a lot more popular now as it is seen as a good 'family' compromise compared to the 2 seater, and as so many were broken up for spares there aren't many left.

    Just my opinion


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    2+2's in Aus as far as I can find out were delivered in just about equal numbers to 2 seaters.
    There is no denying that the 240 will and should be the most collectable and revered of all the Z's.
    When the 2+2 was introduced into Aus it out sold the 260 2 seater, why who really knows.

    Me, Well at the rate 2+2's are being broken up for parts and whatever else, I figure in 5 to 10 years i'll have the only one left in Aus.

    Oh sorry, Zedrally and myself will have the only 2.

    How rare is that!!!

    I'll post again in 5 years and let's see how my prediction goes.

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    This one has had me really stuck deciding what to do with it. It's pretty much complete and standard with a straight body other than the front left guard. It needs a new coat of paint, has some surface rust and a few patches of cancerous rust, but nothing too bad or in critical areas. If I had the money or time I'd be fixing it up and selling it.

    However it's worth a lot to me for the bits I need for mine. Heaps of interior parts as well as pretty much the whole driveline. I'm thinking, whatever I do, I'll make sure not to hack up the shell as it's still fairly good.

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    2 seater numbers same as 2+2 numbers into Australia; dont think so!

    1st Generation Z Car Production


    http://www.cybersanford.net/DATSUNZCARS.html

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    Originally posted by Alan Pugh

    Oh sorry, Zedrally and myself will have the only 2.

    How rare is that!!!

    I'll post again in 5 years and let's see how my prediction goes.
    You're right on the money there Alan.

    I think that one reason there appears more sold is the 2+2's where more commonly seen in the Dealerships.
    I remember when I brought my first one, all the was available was a 2+2. For a 2 seater I had to join the list!

    The reality probably is that Nissan Japan dumped all the RHD 2+2's that they over made into Aus.
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    Hmm...

    I just need to find myself a real dunger, something rusted to ****, then use it's bits to make this 2+2 complete again.

    Don't think my parents would be too happy bout me having yet another car sitting around here though.

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    Just tow it back to the RAAF Base until needed!
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    Joseph,

    I did say in my post JUST ABOUT EQUAL NUMBERS, and I did say that the 2+2 once released out sold the 260 2 seater.

    Lets use your figures from Cybersanford.

    240Z 1970-319
    240Z 1971-894
    240Z 1972-362
    240Z 1973-783

    240Z Total-2358

    260Z 1974-422
    260Z 1975-198
    260Z 1976-385

    260Z Total-1005

    260Z 2+2 1974-599
    260Z 2+2 1975-742
    260Z 2+2 1976-1615

    260Z 2+2 Total-2956


    2 seater total = 3363
    2+2 total = 2956

    As you can see there is only 407 more 2 seaters ( JUST ABOUT )

    2+2 sales against 2 seater sales FOR THE 260Z are nearly 2 to 1, I believe that means it out sold the 2 seater.

    I have left out the 1977 figure because it is not divided into the 2 body types.

    I think it's great that there are so many of these cars being restored, modified and just generally being kept on the road, and by that I mean S30 cars.

    2+2 OWNERS HAVE FEELINGS TOO, THEY LOVE THEIR CARS JUST AS MUCH AS YOU GUYS LOVE YOUR 2 SEATERS.

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    I maintain that those figures are sketchy to say the least, I researced 240Z no 131 (or was it 134) when it was tentatively for sale here a while back, according to its original owner that was the first officially imported Z into SA, and one of Alans friends has a firwall number in the teens from a wrecks Australian Z I think from memory? So when in 1969 they say 0, they cant really mean that can they, if these were official nissan imports bought from a dealer? Given the varied specs of Aus 240's especially I think we were as was mentioned before just a dumping ground for all sorts of RHD models, and it would be impossible to establish the exact number imported?
    IE I have seen 73Z's with the side repeaters in teh guards, without them, with the UK style indicators on the bumper and with nothing at all and no holes in the bumper. It may give a rough guide, but I'd say very rough at best.
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    Hi Chris,

    I too have often disagreed with the first 500 cars to the USA.

    The point of the exercise was to show Joseph, using figures that he posted, that he either didn't read my post and or didn't bother to add up the figures he was using from Cybersanford.

    I don't know that any of those figures are correct, but the same figures seem to come up quite often and as that is all we have to go off, what else do you use.

    I also didn't like the tone of Joseph's reply!!!!!!!!!!

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    Those "1st generation Z car production" figures quoted on the cybersanford site seem to be the ones from the "Datsun 280ZX" book that Carl Beck quotes on the zhome site. In fact, judging from the "American Sports Car" quote and other comments I would imagine that cybersanford took a lot of inspiration from the zhome site................ "thats right, this car was designed for the U.S. market!"

    Its a real shame that so many people quote the figures from that book, as they are without doubt a complete crock of crap. You can quote me on that if you want.

    Notice that they purport to be "First Generation" Z car production figures. This SHOULD include all of the S30 / S31 models and derivatives ( S30, PS30, HLS30, HS30, RS30, RLS30, GRS30, GRLS30, S31 etc etc ) but quite clearly the quoted list misses a huge amount of production.

    Example: They quote a nice round "500" for USA in year 1969, with ALL other territories ( I presume "other" also includes Japan?!! ) getting zero. Sorry - but that is total rubbish. Nissan Shatai's own internal production records show that they built 543 "Export" S30-series bodies during 1969, and 969 Domestic S30-series. According to the 280ZX book figures ( quoted by zhome and cybersanford ) these 969 bodies did not exist..............

    Another example: Take the 1970 year production ( not "Model Year" - I'm talking about what was MADE, not what Nissan said they sold ). Nissan Shatai's records state that they made 3,700 "Domestic" market S30-series bodies in 1970 - but the 280ZX book list shows just three cars in its "other" category for that year.

    The list is either right or wrong. Seeing as it seems to completely ignore Japanese domestic production and sales, I can't see how any of the other figures that it quotes as "First Generation Z car production" can be taken seriously, let alone trusted. In short, its rubbish.

    This is one of the things about the "Z World" that saddens me. The list purports to give accurate information about "First Generation" Z cars, without even mentioning the existence of the Japanese domestic-market models. I see a lot of this. Its like some weird form of denial. Very strange. An almost perverted perspective.

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    Hi Alan,

    Yes I made the connection to the Carl Beck figures and yes the figures are sketchy at best, and no there is no mention of the local market cars and yes, I knew you would answer this one as it is one of your pet hates, for want of a better term.

    Having said that, I don't see that the AUSTRALIAN figures can be 100's or 1000's out, and I was on this occasion only talking about Aus delivered cars.

    Yes we were a dumping ground (after the 240Z) for a mixed up car that should have been a 2468Z by the time our 260Z model run ended in 1977. This being said I believe our 260Z was probably one of the better mixes of car, and that is only MY opinion. Compared to the 2+2 and 2 seaters sold in the US our cars look about a foot shorter anyway without the 5MPH rule bumpers.

    I haven't meant to offend anyone and if I have I do apologize.

    I am also sorry for hijacking this thread.

    I am a Proud and PASSIONATE 260Z 2+2 owner.

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    Hi Alan,
    Yes - in many ways I agree. I have always thought that the RS30 models were one of the better S30-series models, but were slated for problems that could have been easily sorted. If the RS30 model had been fitted with fuel-injection from the beginning then it would surely have inherited a better reputation. I love the earlier cars, but I've always fancied a bone-stock RS30 ( RHD ) "260Z" model as a "keeper".

    I also have a soft spot for the 2+2 ( 2/2 in Japan ) in bone-stock condition. I agree that these are increasingly rare, but I have noticed that they have a very loyal following and that some people ( at least here in the UK ) have been aiming at top-notch restorations on them. They will indeed be some of the rarer first-generation Z models.

    Over here in the UK we also saw some slightly strange HS30 / RS30 hybrids at the point of changeover, and they are always entertaining as Nissan seems to have had a somewhat ad-hoc policy in applying parts and spec. changes and in logging them accurately. Buying parts for these cars can be a little bit difficult without knowing exactly what was previously fitted. Compare this to the USA and Japanese markets, which seem to have been very well documented and 'planned'. However, I would not call the Australian / NZ / UK markets 'dumping grounds', and I would have thought it was probably more cock-up than conspiracy ( as usual! ). I also think that ALL of the first-generation RHD cars got a bit confused around the 74, 74, 75 period. I suspect that they were the victim of the big internal changes at Nissan around that time, and related to other factors such as local-market laws and the Oil Crisis etc.

    I agree that the figures are probably not thousands out for the Australian-market, but I reckon they might well be a few hundred out. Above all, I'm trying to make the point that we CANNOT trust any list that so blatantly ignores a whole raft of 'other' RHD Z cars. Its weird.

    There is STILL no definitive list of production figures that breaks down ALL markets and models. Even the Nissan Shatai figures only quote "Export" and "Domestic" versions.

    I'm sorry to jump in on this with hobnail boots, but whenever I see those "Datsun 280ZX" book figures being quoted as though they are gospel truth I feel obliged to point out that they are crock. Surely this is only too painfully obvious if we look at what they purport to show?

    Cheers,
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    Originally posted by HS30-H
    Buying parts for these cars can be a little bit difficult without knowing exactly what was previously fitted.

    Cheers,
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    Ha, would love to have a $1 for every time I've had to take parts back because they where from a different model year. Spot on Alan T.

    The best so far has been 280z parts [remember that model didn't exist in AUS] for the 260. Still can't exactly remember which rear brake it uses, as I have all 3 as spares!

    I seem to also remember some figures posted by KATS last year on the S30, didn't those given the definitive number?

    Yes Alan P, those figures that where quoted are as rubbery as a rubber check, and feel exactly the same when I see them quoted.

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    OK Alan, I feel compelled to reply. Yes, I did misread your post; cant really see why you are lumping the entire 2 seater line (ie 240z and 260z) in together and then comparing them to the 2+2.

    Anyway, I misread this part.

    I have posted here many times in the past advocating the preservation of the 2+2 as I believe, as by the sounds of it you also do, that one day there wont be many left in circulation at all, most being parted out and eventually scrapped.

    I am kicking myself for selling my 260z 2+2 about 5 years ago when I purchased my 240z; I should have kept it. It was BONE stock and would have made a great example with a refresh.

    To say that you will have only one of two in existenance, although tounge-in-cheek (assumed) is a little strange. I know many 2+2 owners and have seen amny examples in good condition; lets hope they stay this way.

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    Hi Joseph,

    I really built up a head of steam didn't I. As I said later I do apologize if I offended, that wasn't my intention.

    Those figures have been posted on this site numerous times before and no doubt will be again. Everyone is correct about them being very rubbery, but as a guide to Aus figures, MY belief is they would probably be within a few hundred of being close to the mark.

    The thing that gets me going on this site sometimes, are the people who jump in on the 2+2 bandwagon, and bag the sh*t out of these cars because it is sometimes seen, I THINK, to be the right thing to do. It's only small comments a lot of the time like"Yeah it looks great shame it's a 2+2 though"

    I have driven both 2 seaters and obviously 2+2's, how many of the baggers of these cars have actually even driven a 2+2.
    Someone not so long ago was telling us how awfull the flat top carbs were and then in the next sentence tells us that he's never even seen a set in person, only ever seen one photo of them fitted to a car. What an informed opinion for us all.
    Having driven both and they do drive differently, both cars have in my opinion for's and against's. I like how the longer wheel base of the 2+2 corners as opposed to the 2 seater as an example, this may come down to the way I drive a car through a given corner, who knows. I would love to have a bone stock 240 out in my shed, but for different reasons than probably a lot of others.

    My comment that Zedrally and myself would have the only two 2+2 cars left was VERY tounge-in-cheek.

    My car will not be completely stock when it is finished, but that also is a choice for me to make.

    Regards,
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    I have a 2+2. Going to be cutting it up into pieces one of these days. Bought it for parts. Had been sitting since 1996.

    Too far gone with rust to be saved. (Pics in my gallery)

    I dont dislike the 2+2's, its just that I think the 2 seaters are better looking. Some guys here in Perth have some really nicely restored 2+2's. (check out www.wazregister.com/gallery/2003 Z Day/ for some pictures)

    But getting back to what this thread is supposed to be about.

    Justin. If the cars not too rusty it might be worth saving. Have you thought about selling the whole car as is?

    Problem is that alot of people just dont want 2+2's. Unless like me you are after some spare parts.

    Also in my gallery is a silver 2+2 that a guy I know is trying to sell for $2500. It registered, but hasnt been regularly driven since the 1980's and has 22000kms on the clock. It's worth saving in my opinion, but I wouldnt pay $2500 for it.
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