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    Default If you build it, they will die.

    I made a little thread about this car a while back, but I figured I'd make a new one to really shake some boots.

    I know a lot of you guys here are into keep your Z's stock, but I also know there are the lot of you that race your Z's and really beat the hell out of them.

    If you can't stand to see a stripped Z, turn away now, thanks.

    I got this '71 240Z from Dave about a year ago, got the L28 running, and drove it to a few events, and got a lot of attention. I've been wanting to build a drift car for a few years now, and finally decided to go ahead and use my Z, seeing as nobody at the track thought I could do it.

    Here's some specs on the car:
    - 1JZ-GTE (Twin turbo Supra motor; 280hp/315ftlbs. STOCK)
    - W58 Five Speed with 2JZ-GE bellhousing
    - XTD Stage 3 Clutch
    - DriftMotion Pulley Kit
    - 50mm TiAL Blow off valve
    - SPARCO Sprint Seats
    - S13 Dash Conversion
    - Completely Stripped Interior
    - No sound deadening
    - Nismo Steering Couplers
    - Nismo T/C Kit
    - Tokico Illumina shocks
    - Eibach Pro Springs
    - Welded Longnose R200
    - Rear sway
    - Braided brake lines

    The whole engine bay is stitch welded, and I am currently working on the engine mounts, seeing as this car has to be done by March 30th.

    PICTURES:



    Test fitting some wheels, 15x10 -38, will be running same wheel but a 16.





    I will keep you guys updated! I will be representing the Z world in the drift scene in Washington!

    - Ian.

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    Ian, the dash swap looks better than I thought it would (though it's odd not seeing the three gauges in the center). Are you going to put some flares on your arches?
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    Aziza Z over at Hybrid did that dash swap (240sx dash). It looks great and nearly stock when done right.
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    Nice, keep us updated with pictures!

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    OK, so you tore the crap out of my old Z. Nice. But what did ya do with everything ya tore out? What are ya doing with the L28 and carbs that were in it?

    Seats? I spent some good money and time rebuilding those. Dash? Heater assembly? Dash Harness? Write me and let me know what's available if anything. If I knew you were gonna rip everything out, I would have done it for ya. I could always use spare stuff around here.

    By the way, that L28 I got from ya was trash. All the cooling ports and areas were rusted thru almost going thru th cylander walls and the block. Oh well. I could still use a decent L28 to rebuild though.

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    I predict another "I crashed" thread within a year. Could not handle a relatively mild powered 240z.....
    -Bo

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    Quote Originally Posted by ktm View Post
    I predict another "I crashed" thread within a year. Could not handle a relatively mild powered 240z.....
    Watch your mouth man, I hit ice, that's what got me sideways. I'm glad that you want people to crash on this forum, great form of character you have there.

    This is one of the reasons I don't post here that often anymore.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zs-ondabrain View Post
    OK, so you tore the crap out of my old Z. Nice. But what did ya do with everything ya tore out? What are ya doing with the L28 and carbs that were in it?

    Seats? I spent some good money and time rebuilding those. Dash? Heater assembly? Dash Harness? Write me and let me know what's available if anything. If I knew you were gonna rip everything out, I would have done it for ya. I could always use spare stuff around here.

    By the way, that L28 I got from ya was trash. All the cooling ports and areas were rusted thru almost going thru th cylander walls and the block. Oh well. I could still use a decent L28 to rebuild though.

    Dave.
    Seats actually got sold to a really nice couple today doing a husband and wife build on a '72. The rest of the stuff has sold here and there, traded some things too.

    Yeah, I had no clue what was up with the L28, sorry mate.

    I'll make a list of what I have left and let you know.

    - Ian.
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    Yes, I want you to crash. I think all of the money you are spending on this build would be better spent on an education. Reading comprehension fails you.

    It helps NOT to LIE:

    From your 11/08/06 post:

    Quote Originally Posted by theianmonster View Post
    Those wicked crosswalks that have the painted stripes. Its like ice.
    You hit a wet painted stripe unless you are changing your story now.

    Secondly, you had your car running all of 4 days based on your 11/04/2006 thread stating that shes on the road. You then crashed on 11/08/2006.
    -Bo

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    Feel better now? I'm really glad that you're getting off by being an asshole.

    Last I remember a 37 year-old man meant that you had some maturity in your life, or does it feel good to hop onto a 19 year-old and break everything down.

    Ice, paint stripes, whatever, it got away from me and I hit a curb. I learned from it, and moved on.

    As far as education goes, I am happily in college right now and working on a career in graphic design. Thank you for your concern.

    - Ian.

    PS- Thanks Zbane for your PM, its glad to know people out there are kind hearted.
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    It'll be interesting to see your build progress. The tires are kinda bothering me right now because of how their streched. those aren't the size you're going to run are they? Because they sort of look like they're going to pop off the bead or something...
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    I will be running a 265/45/16 once I get my wheels. The ones in the picture are 205/50/15. The wheels were off an AE86, so stretched tires weren't a big deal because of the lack of power.

    It just all depends on how you stretch the tire, but yes, they COULD blow.

    - Ian.

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    Its sweet when people flame on this site.
    If you like starting problems so much then please go to hybridz, (they seem to like it over there) ,or do it over PM so those of us that are here for Z CAR CONTENT (not cat fights) can view Z CAR CONTENT.


    Anyway, back to said Z CAR CONTENT:

    I'm excited to see how this turns out.
    Have you thought about steering angle at all? If you're going to compete with the Corollas & 240SXs you're going to need to be able to hang it out there a little further than stock will allow.
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    theianmonster would appear to be an up and coming "Burt". In my humble opinion, he and his post should be eliminated, rather than encouraged. It's the Moderators call, but I'd cut this off at the knees.

    As Hybridz was mentioned, I'll point out the fact that they would not for an instant, put up with anyone from the "purists" mind set, posting their trash talk on the Hybridz forum... and we should be just as vigilant about people trashing Classic Z Cars and then rubbing our collective noses in the resulting mess.

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    Building the car is his call, it's his car. Shoving it down our throats, and you must admit Ian, that is what you are doing, will result in the kind of responses you're getting. Even the person you purchased the car from seems to have a problem with it. Part of this 'maturity' you speak of would include being bigger than reacting to what you feel is being 'hopped on'. Or even posting a thread with these phrases in your 'disclaimer'.
    ........I figured I'd make a new one to really shake some boots..........
    I know a lot of you guys here are into keep your Z's stock, but I also know there are the lot of you that race your Z's and really beat the hell out of them. If you can't stand to see a stripped Z, turn away now, thanks.
    You must have known, based on those quotes that you'd get some of the types of responses your're getting.
    This is one of the reasons I don't post here that often anymore.
    Possibly you should give the rest of the reasons more consideration also.
    I'm really glad that you're getting off by being an asshole.
    Now, there's a show of maturity.
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    Smile All Race Cars get Gutted ~_^

    Don't Trip there Ian your on the right path,

    So avoiding another Left Field thread here, I seen those S13 dash
    conversions before in a Magizine about a year ago in a newly
    restored Green 240Z sporting a SR20 Engine.
    And I admit as you say Ian it did look CLEAN.
    Absolutely stock looking.

    Whats the Wieght balance ratio going to be with your 1JZ,
    are you going for 50/50?

    Quote Originally Posted by sblake01 View Post
    Building the car is his call..., Even the person you purchased the car from seems to have a problem with it.
    I don't know if Zs-ondabrain mind that much besides for the
    need for parts he missed out.
    If I sold Ruby, (Which would never happen), I'd expected the new owner
    to do some tinkering but as long as they did it right and didn't
    gut her for use in a crash derby

    Quote Originally Posted by turbo240 View Post
    Have you thought about steering angle at all? If you're going to compete with the Corollas & 240SXs you're going to need to be able to hang it out there a little further than stock will allow.
    Will MSA's quick steering knuckles work?
    They're about $145 but will that also mean the front tire clearnce will be
    tighter at full lock?

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    37 "hopping" on a 19 year old? Do you think that 18 years of age difference should get you a free pass? Get over it kid, you are supposedly an adult now and if you can't take this little bit of heat, life is going to chew you up and spit you out. You say you are in college, what's going to happen when a 50+ year old professor calls you on the carpet in front of 100+ people in a class? You'll have a melt down based on your over-reaction here. Man up.

    I'm done. Added to the ignore list.

    turbo240, "If you like starting problems so much then please go to hybridz, (they seem to like it over there)" Actually, as Carl pointed out, Hybridz is heavily moderated. You get a little warning and if you persist, a nice little 30 day timeout.

    Flaming the site? I do not see any posts flaming the site. I do not see any posts flaming anybody until Ian got his panties in a twist about a comment I made about a prediction.
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    This is not to intentionally take this in another direction, though it probably will, but what is 'stock looking' or 'restored' about a Green 240Z sporting a S13 dash conversion and a SR20 Engine? People can do whatever they want to do with their cars, after all, it's theirs. Including 'gutting her for use in a crash derby'. But if I don't share the same enthusiasm for it that they do, that's okay too. Eveyone is entitled to their opinion but they are not entitled to force it on anyone. If you post something that doesn't fit the general crux of the site, and then blow up at the first sign of criticism, that's exactly what you're doing.
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    Good Question,

    The Green 240Z was first restored to the point it needed to be before the
    offshoot of the SR20 and other mods.
    The Same owner previoulsy had a Red 240Z which he took a long time to
    restore to stock condition straight up, only to have it stollen and
    never found not long after completing it.
    So when he bought the Green one he decided not to go the Resto way but
    to instead have some fun with this time.

    By stock "looking" I mean the dash didn't look out of place.
    Everything was proportionately correct with the rest of the interrior down to the
    shifter knob location which was needed to be moved 3 inches back with
    the Skyline tranny.
    The curves and everything about it just Flowed Nicely.

    Of course though the SR20 was outa place,
    10 year old engine/30 year old car, but the fun factor though...

    I got a feeling Ian's Black and Yellow is going to be a Tight Top Contender when
    he's finished.

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    Well, I'll just leave it alone at this point. I don't agree that a customized car is 'restored' or even 'stock looking' when one knows what stock looks like but I posed a question and you answered it. And for Ian, you're putting a lot of work into your car and you're enjoying it and that's what really matters. I can totally appreciate that aspect. But, don't get upset if others don't agree with the direction you're taking because, no matter what you say, you won't change their minds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theianmonster View Post
    this car has to be done by March 30th
    Golden Gardens?

    Looks almost the same as it did a couple months ago Ian. Hurry up!
    My fairlady hasn't changed much either though and it won't be at Golden Gardens...

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    Come on Bleach, you gotta help us increase the Z presence there this year. I'll be there unless something more important comes up. There were about 5 Z's there last year and I as well as many other would love to see a lot more there this year.

    IAN,

    All I was pretty much saying was "I gave you a HELL of a deal on the car" you could have at least kept me in mind or gave me first dibs on No Longer Needed parts. That's what I would have done, but then again, that's just me.

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    Come on Bleach, you gotta help us increase the Z presence there this year. I'll be there unless something more important comes up. There were about 5 Z's there last year and I as well as many other would love to see a lot more there this year.
    I don't see why I wouldn't be able to enter my car in the show this year. Maybe one of you guys could send me some info on how you register and such.

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    I am working to make this meeting too...Not sure I will get there, but I should be close.
    bought her in 1977, sold her in 1997..found it on eBay 2006...Welcome home.

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    It's on 3/30/08 at the Golden Gardens park in Seattle. Register at the park the day of the event. No real registration needed unless you want to enter to win a prize.

    It's more of a show-up-and-shine event. The usual rules apply like no showing off, burnouts etc.

    Just remember that the event is usually centered around SX and ZX as well as 350Z's and a lot of honda's and other imports. Lot of drifters, racers and plain old people wanting to check out others cars as well as show theirs off.

    Good event to just show up, park, meet new people and talk about your Z to the inexperienced import owner.

    Dave.

    Why don't all of the 240 and other S30 owners here on this site, who are going to go, write me and we'll all figure out where we can meet up and Convoy in together. Ithink that would be sweet and we'll definately get our fare share of looks.

    write me at wolfin32z@yahoo.com and we'll figure it out
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