S30 in 3d

[INST3D]

Hi all!!I was making a 280z in 3d,so I get stuck on these:



Didn't find any references in google,so that's why I here.So tell me please,are there 2 or 3 holes?If you give me a photo that would be just perfect.
Thanks,here's the progress
I know that's not much but....I'll be doing it in my free time

[5thhorsemann]

Looks like your cad reference drawing is a 240, no battering rams where the bumpers are and it cas cowl corner lamp housings. Looks cool.

[grantf]

Are you using subdivition surfaces?

[Mikes Z car]

This is what my 240Z looks like in that area- MFR date Jan 1970.

[INST3D]

Looks like your cad reference drawing is a 240, no battering rams where the bumpers are and it cas cowl corner lamp housings. Looks cool.

Service book is for 280z

Are you using subdivition surfaces?

That's obvious poly modelling
I'm not sure that I'll be doing mid-poly(will also be able to make a template easilly) or high-poly(template difficult to make,but car will look smoother),still thinking.

This is what my 240Z looks like in that area- MFR date Jan 1970.

thanks man!helped a lot

[INST3D]

Here's some new progress...So I decided that this thread will be a WIP(work in progress)

And again I need your help.....anyone has a photo of this part??(desirable without wheel)

[Mikes Z car]

Not sure I am the guy to take the picture but for clarification, would you prefer a picture that is end on to the center of the brake drum? Would it be better to have the car weight on the brake drum so the angle of the suspension in the picture looks like it does when the car is on the road? I am glad to see someone working on a 3D model.

[INST3D]

Not sure I am the guy to take the picture but for clarification, would you prefer a picture that is end on to the center of the brake drum? Would it be better to have the car weight on the brake drum so the angle of the suspension in the picture looks like it does when the car is on the road? I am glad to see someone working on a 3D model.

I will be happy to see any reference,so post them,because every reference can help in the process.With the previous post I meant I wanted to see how the hole for strut is made.
This

It's fuel pipe right?

Here some new progress....the "X" and the transitioning into back.Also a wireframe

[Mikes Z car]

Here are a few views of the spring hole. It is rather close to the spring to see a lot of it though. It might be easier to see if someone has a picture from the inside of the car with the cross hatched vinyl removed.

[INST3D]

Thanks!!!Was busy for a bit,so nowadays I might have less time
went something like this

[INST3D]

Can't refuse you showing progress
One good man sent me a PM,where he gave me a link to a great base of good references,he(and more guys)were restoring a 240z.Thanks,Carl!
http://becksystems.com/KellyW/KellyW.htm
Also a bit progress...I'll move the "extra wheel"hole to the side when will be making assymetry
Started to make the bottom.Also decided it will be high poly,because it looks better.
Will fix the heigh differences on the bottom.

Ye the wheel hole on 2 last pictures.....fixed.

[INST3D]

I'm leaving soon.....so don't know if I would be able to work on it or not, return on 22-23 of august.......Maybe will try to start to make engine in autodesk inventor.

[Mikes Z car]

INST3D,
Thanks for your drawing and posting the link with the pictures. I want to make a 3D drawing of the rear frame members to show where holes are for anti corrosion spraying and those pictures help a lot, though I still don't know if I can make the drawing. So many curves and angles in the frame for that part of the car.
Is there a possibility when you get done you could export your drawing into DFX I think it is called so it could be loaded into sketchup?
Thanks,
Mike

[INST3D]

DXF maybe?The list of possible exporting formats:

So you know how to model or just have a person who knows?

[Mikes Z car]

You are right, it is DXF. I have imported DXF into Sketchup Pro, haven't tried the others.
My modeling skills are very limited. I can't do 3D anywhere near as well as you can. I do enjoy very much making 3D drawings if I can use them to illustrate something, to me that isn't work it is fun. 3D can really communicate a lot of information quickly I think. I have wondered if there is a way to make a better factory service manual by making a 3D drawing of the early Z that includes electrical and other systems that can be captured from certain angles (or zoomed in) as ordinary JPG pictures but that is way beyond anything I can do.

[INST3D]

Back home
This one is just look like mini-update,but wireframe wasn't easy to edit in this area

That's how it looked smoothed without chamfer

[INST3D]

had some fun with my BBS RS
also finally decided that it will be a '73 240z, because there are a lot of cool references above.Expect great progress next week!
Got the 240z servise manual here http://www.xenons30.com/reference.html
and glad there is more information

[INST3D]

Update!Now more-understandable
this

gets smoothed

gets chamfered(very close to final variant,need to fix geometry lil bit)

Are there any missed details?Or maybe something wrong with geometry?
now will try to fix the "X"

[Mikes Z car]

That looks like the inner metal panel over the wheel well on the right side of the car, must be a 280Z?

[INST3D]

looked up that here http://becksystems.com/KellyW/026KellyW.jpg
240 '73
but do they differ?I mean on the opposite sides
Do I leave it like this or delete the panel?

[Mikes Z car]

Nice drawing by the way. I asked if the panel was for a 280Z because my 240z has a couple of additional holes in that panel towards the left and down though at least one would be off screen in your picture. I don't know that the left/right panels are different I never thought to look. What is your goal with your drawing? I tend to put as much detail as I think I can do in my drawings but I don't know if it is always a good idea. Sometimes simpler is better for clarity but I like detail accuracy if I can stand to take the time to do it. Let your conscience be your guide.

[INST3D]

Re-made the X,added a hole,fixed the geometry,now it looks as it should

can you point me where the off-screen hole would be?


The goal IN modelling is yes,getting as much detail as I can
Goal OF(maybe wrong preposition(bad in english),but you'll understand)modelling is getting a lot of expierience,filling portfolio,having an ability to make very good renders(also videos)with such a detailed car,and a few others.
Of course it's easier to handle less points,but getting maximum detail worth it.

[INST3D]

Must be a fail,need to define the error in geometry
Btw it's my birthday

[Mikes Z car]

Happy Birthday INST3D!
This is what my 240Z (MFR 1/1970) looks like in the dogleg area.

[INST3D]

Thank you
Looks WAY different
even wondered why did nissan make so
So I'm gonna leave it all as it looks now
Made inner arc

[Mikes Z car]

Looks great.
Hopefully my picture wasn't confusing because it should be turned 90 degrees counterclockwise to be correct. I had cropped it and the upload process turns it sideways if the picture is too tall apparently. I didn't know that might happen.

[INST3D]

Ahahah that's hilarious xD
I could guess but I didn't expect the picture to be turned...I thought something is strange,thought you have given a photo of right side,also I had this http://becksystems.com/KellyW/025KellyW.jpg but didn't notice
and now I have that feel when you realize that everything is much easier than you thought.
Wish will post update on sunday,also will create threads on 3D forums,but still have not got enough of the model done.
I think about reorganizing my time to have more time for the car,not to make the work very long.

[INST3D]

Made the holes,made the thing on 3 picture(hehe don't know how to call it,I think this makes roof harder),also fixed and chamfered the hole for extra wheel

[INST3D]

[INST3D]

added details
started to make tail lights space

[Mikes Z car]

You have come a long way on this drawing.

[INST3D]

You have come a long way on this drawing.

50 hours of work by the previous update

[ironhelix]

Here's a couple of photos I have of my '72 z's rear interior without vinyl.

[INST3D]

Thank you ironhelix,very good photos!

[Mikes Z car]

Here are a couple of pictures of the rail width at the side of the hatch. Note that the part of the rail towards the side of the car is chamfered, the side towards the interior of the hatch opening is much more straight. Hope this is an area you asked about in the PM you sent me. I don't have a way of putting pictures in a PM because I don't use a picture hosting service.



Same area zoomed out:

[INST3D]

Made tail gate space,moderately fixed the rail from tail gate to the roof and space around it(picture 1)
Aslo fixed chamfer and geometry inside

[Mikes Z car]

Looks great. Here are some more pictures.

Corner of hatch:______Lower 1/3:

Middle 2/3:__________ Top 3/3

[INST3D]

woo!Beautiful photos!Actually it took me a while to understand where that place is,but I'm extremely glad to see people willing to help

[INST3D]

Remember that noise around the holes above the wheel well?Removed.
Changed blueprint
Started to make the wheel well,outside part.
A little progress,but for now.

[Mike]

Wow, impressive work! Glad to see you sticking to the project and pulling through the difficult rear area of the car. I'm sure this wasn't easy to design. How much further do you have to go?

[INST3D]

thanks for the kind words
This depends 50% on time and impression I have and 50% on referals.Now I'm thinking of doing inner mechanical parts or not,such as engine and transmission,the main problem is to understand the detailing,but I see people helping me,so I'll try to do my best.

[INST3D]

Fixed side bumper hole,finished arc,added details on back

[INST3D]

Made holes at the back,made the outer side look fine.fixed the place around the small side window.

[Mikes Z car]

INST3D,
That drawing is really looking good.
Mike

[INST3D]

That drawing is really looking good.

not quite
There are few things seen on the pictures that need to be fixed,for example,arc is not round in some places,the shoulder is too bumpy.
Anyways,the work is still going!I'll try to do my best.

[Mike]

not quite There are few things seen on the pictures that need to be fixed

Spoken like a true artist... keep us posted on your progress... Do you need any more measurements?

[INST3D]

Do you need any more measurements?

I'll ask if I need some.

[INST3D]

After a few hours of work on this part....Hope now it looks correct.
Also started to detail bottom

would be glad to have a picture of the door lock space
like this

[Blue]

Wow!--

[Mikes Z car]

INST3D,
Here are a couple of pictures of the door jamb (early 240Z)

[JLPurcell]

Just found this, great work. Let me know if I can help out.

[INST3D]

Mikes,thank you!Very informative pictures!
JCPurcell,I always need to be sure that the model is correct,that geometry matches the real one.So tell me if you find any mismatches.Also you can help me with referals-looked up in your gallery and noticed some beautiful photos!They will also help me.Do you still got your Z in this condition?
http://www.classiczcars.com/photopos...t-last&cat=500

[INST3D]

Started to detail door jamb,cleaned and added chamfer on the bottom also started to make the transmission space.
Fixed the arch

[JLPurcell]

Mikes,thank you!Very informative pictures!
JCPurcell,I always need to be sure that the model is correct,that geometry matches the real one.So tell me if you find any mismatches.Also you can help me with referals-looked up in your gallery and noticed some beautiful photos!They will also help me.Do you still got your Z in this condition?
http://www.classiczcars.com/photopos...t-last&cat=500

Yes, I just got my 1972 Persimmon Red (110) back from a full restoration by Les at Classic Datsun Motorsports in Vista, California. I am working out a few bugs, to be expected after a full restoration. I did have an early 70 VIN# HLS30-00029 it now belongs to Les @ Classic Datsun Motorsports. It was a fully prepared race car from the 70's and 80's. The car you are working on looks to be a Series 1 car (no tool boxes on the luggage deck behind the seats). I am looking forward to seeing your completed 3D work. I would love to have a copy to frame in the future. Jerry Purcell

[JLPurcell]

Mikes,thank you!Very informative pictures!
JCPurcell,I always need to be sure that the model is correct,that geometry matches the real one.So tell me if you find any mismatches.Also you can help me with referals-looked up in your gallery and noticed some beautiful photos!They will also help me.Do you still got your Z in this condition?
http://www.classiczcars.com/photopos...t-last&cat=500

[INST3D]

Ah you got is assembled...I think that those luggage boxes you mean are assymmetrical so they are not made on this stage of modelling.

[LeonV]

Nice job, the modelling is coming along great!

[JLPurcell]

Ah you got is assembled...I think that those luggage boxes you mean are assymmetrical so they are not made on this stage of modelling.

The bulkhead behind the seat on the Series 2 cars is different than the Series 1 cars. The bulkhead and the Series 1 cars have the holes in them that you were asking about earlier (3 holes or 2 holes). The tire changing tools were located in front of the bulkhead on the floor with a black plastic cover over them on the Series 1 cars. Beginning in 1972 (Series 2 cars) the bulkhead does not have the holes in it there are doors in the floor of the luggage area just behind the bulkhead one behind each seat these doors are to tool boxes to hold the tire change tools. The bulkhead does not have holes due to the fact that they now (in the Series 2 cars) are used to form one of the interior sides of the tool box. I hope I have cleared this up for you it is sometimes hard to explain without pictures. Does anyone have pictures of the difference in the bulkhead behind the seats between the Series 1 and 2 cars?

[motorman7]

DXF maybe?The list of possible exporting formats:

Wow, your model is incredible. I would love to get an .igs file of your model. I am a Pro-E guru and this would be great to play with.

Also, noticed you are in Russia. I traveled out there a number of times working with the Russian space agency. Was fun work.

Best regards,

Rich

[INST3D]

Does anyone have pictures of the difference in the bulkhead behind the seats between the Series 1 and 2 cars?

http://www.classiczcars.com/photopos...-area&cat=3069 I think this is series 2 right?

[JLPurcell]

The deck area next to the bulkhead is as a Series 1 car with no tool box's. The rear area is neither Series 1 or Series 2 the the spare tire area is not recessed into the deck as in the HLS30. JLP

[motorman7]

Inspection lid clip......Test for iges upload

[INST3D]

finished door jamb(made holes and inside part),
"pushed towards".

[motorman7]

Started working on the block. Attached is the basic form but it still needs a lot of detail and clean up.

[INST3D]

motorman7 has joined the development,so we will both post screens of updates.

[motorman7]

Got a series 1 oil pan modeled.

[26th-Z]

Rear deck photos of HLS30U-00026. Three holes in the rear bulkhead. That's about as 'series one' as one can get!

[26th-Z]

Motorman, add the reinforcing plate to the oil pan! Great job - kudos to everyone. Great project / great thread!

[INST3D]

26th-Z,thank you!
That's where the "3 holes" from
Also I am not making series 1,I am making the other body

[motorman7]

Oil Pan update. Added the stiffening rib. Weldment will be a bit of a challenge. Not sure how much detail I want to add here. There is a lot to do.

[ZohanIsBack]

:-O Do you guys do this for a living or something? Lol. Dang that's a lot of work...

[INST3D]

[INST3D]

HiRes pictures

[hls30.com]

HiRes pictures

The work looks fantastic- Burning the 3d image inside an acrylic block would surely be something I would want-be sure you guys arrange that/get a part of it!

[INST3D]

A couple of studio renders,just had some fun and found out some bugs

[INST3D]

Really wondered about this "turn".
Something is incorrect so I suspect ithe turn should't be on the bottom.Bot how to do it then?

[Mikes Z car]

INST3D,
I remember seeing pictures of Z cars, 240, 260 and probably 280 that were taken when the cars were on a rotisserie with everything stripped off. The best ones I think for doing drawings were painted (or coated) all one color. I just looked on the web searching for "240Z rotisserie" to see if I could find a picture like that but no luck. I am still looking in my own Z car picture collection though I am sure I have one just can't find it. Somewhere there is a picture that will help you.

[Mikes Z car]

You may want better pictures from different angles. Some of these aren't as clear as I would think you might want. Best I can find now. Apologies to whoever took these pictures, I don't remember where I got them.

[INST3D]

Thank you for the pictures,but the turn is still unclear for me.


I think there is a person on this site who can explain how it is constructed:is the turn covered or does it even exist on the bottom

[Mikes Z car]

INST3D,
If I am interpreting your question correctly that turn does not exist on the bottom as the driveshaft tunnel just continues back and gets smaller. You can see the continuation of the tunnel in my car looking down into the stowage area. I can't get better pictures from the bottom as my car's driveshaft/ exhaust are in the car at this time. Maybe someone else has a close up of the bottom area?
Mike

[INST3D]

Thank you Mike!!
That's what I wanted to know

I haven't this on my model so It will be fixed

[INST3D]

Some major fixes and some separate details

[motorman7]

Finally have a little free time to work on the model again. Added some more detail to the block. Getting the head and valve cover started as well. May even get to some suspension components over the holidays. Ten days off, Wooo Hoooo

[motorman7]

So many details on this thing. Slowly coming along though

[Mikes Z car]

I love drawings and have thought for a long time there should be 3D drawings of the Z car in Autocad. It is a lot of fun for me to see the results you, motorman7 and you, INST3D are getting! This is one of those things I get excited about.
Mike

[motorman7]

Hi Mike,

Thanks for the feedback. It's nice to see the progress. The more detail that gets added, the better it looks. The head is a bit of a challenge. Lots of crevices. This is fun as long as I do just an hour here and there. More time than that and it starts turning in to work. It will be way cool when we can start assembling the major components.

Best regards,
Rich

[INST3D]

speeding up after the holidays!

[Mikes Z car]

I would enjoy seeing a video of how you two, motorman7 and INST3D make those drawings but I might be the only one interested in the creation process. heh heh. Nice work! I can see an engine number plate and frame rails. I can respect this work since I did a drawing of parts of the 240Z a while back that doesn't look as nice.

[INST3D]

I was making a video in the beginning.When the recordings took 70 hours and about 200gb of disc space I understood that making videos was not a good idea and deleted them all

[Mikes Z car]

Thanks for trying! Could you be convinced to record how to make one small part of the drawing, either of you?

[INST3D]

no problems,next getting to work will be captured,but in my opinion watching such things is boring.

[LeonV]

That is just fantastic work!

Молодец!

[AZ-240z]

Rear deck photos of HLS30U-00026. Three holes in the rear bulkhead. That's about as 'series one' as one can get!

In the grand scheme of differentiating between series 1 and series 2 cars, my car probably isn't A-typical but thought I would add to show the vague transitional differences. This bulkhead in my 1/71 series 1 car, one of the very last series 1 cars, has two pressed square indentations, not holes, with the two tool cover securing tabs above these indentations as shown in 26th-z attached pics.

[INST3D]

Thank you for your comments!

Made a video,not the best,but I think the process is understandable.
classiczcars_s30in3d - YouTube

[Kurbycar32]

If this 3d printer thing keeps improving we might be able to just print this in a few decades and get a new Z

[INST3D]

Youtube deleted the video....I will try to add it somewhere else later this day

[Mike]

Youtube deleted the video....I will try to add it somewhere else later this day

Upload it to our site in our media center, I'd love to host it for you. I've allowed file uploads so give it a shot. Please let me know if it doesn't work and I'll fix it.

http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/vbtube_add.php?do=up

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[INST3D]

[motorman7]

Slow going. spent too much time making small updates. Got the oil pan nut on the wrong side. Need to fix that.

[INST3D]

100th post
We already have 1/3 of chassis modelled.
Thank you guys for helping and following,we wouldn't have achieved this progress without you.
Body photos are always welcome,as like as comments.
Big plans and only the most little part is made.Parallely working on an environment for renders,currently can't show it you.



Anyone got suggestions about the video?