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    Default What kind of spoiler and air dam does this z have?

    Ive been trying to find out what kind of spoiler and air dam are on this z, but I cannot find anything. It looks similar to the BRE style, but is a bit different. the air dam is much more subtle, and the sides of the spoiler angle in towards the middle more. does anyone know what they are?





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    Looks diy based on a motorcycle helmet's visor

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    The spoiler in question is from a Euro market car (the license/number plate is also a hint). They have a bonded steel frame and are made out of a high density foam painted the same colour as the stock hubcaps and taillight finisher (suede grey). They are NLA, just in case you like them like I do!

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    samsom, a bit more information... The Euro front spoiler and I am quoting from the 1996 edition of the Nissan Motorsports catalog "This rubber spoiler was OE on European 240Z/260Z (up to 8/74). Bolt-on installation results in a 20% decrease in front end lift" Part Number 98300-E8100. Because the European cars had the signal lights above the bumper, the complete front valence was different than the North American models. The side pieces did not have the cutouts for the turn signals. Also, the center piece had captive nuts on the upper edge where this spoiler bolted to. Not a trivial modification.

    Carl Beck included some pictures of both factory spoilers on the the Z Car Home Page site. Look under Z Technical Library and then down to Reference Pictures and finally Factory 240Z parts. Check out pictures PRT7 and PRT8.

    I don't know too much about the rear spoiler. It was plastic or fiberglass and had 2 flat sections on the back portion where the badges that were on the hatch of the North American models "Datsun" and "240Z".

    I'm sure others can tell you more.

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    Thanks for all the info, it's too bad theyre NLA... does nobody make a reproduction? I was able to locate the rear spoiler on motorsport, its the 432 style rear spoiler. I dont tend to like front spoilers on Zs, but this is by far the most tasteful one Ive seen.

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    In the Netherlands the indicators under the bumper were allowed, but the ones on the side of the front fender not. I believe Zwitserland had this variation with the indicator on the bumper and Austria as well. The European market has a pretty broard array of options and standards.
    I haven't seen that spoiler before, but it looks great.
    Not answering your question at all, but could not help adding my 2 cents...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Persimmon240 View Post
    The spoiler in question is from a Euro market car (the license/number plate is also a hint). They have a bonded steel frame and are made out of a high density foam painted the same colour as the stock hubcaps and taillight finisher (suede grey). They are NLA, just in case you like them like I do!
    The yellow car in question belongs to Nissan Motors Great Britain, and is part of their press fleet. It's a very well known car over here.

    The front spoiler is something of a trompe l'oeil, as it is replicating the look of the stock UK market front spoiler but is actually made from FRP. In fact, the front spoiler, lower fender extensions and centre panel are all moulded in one piece, and it was painted to look like the stock factory appearance. It's an aftermarket item, and - I'm told - it was used as a suitable original front spoiler in good condition could not be found at the time of restoration.

    Quote Originally Posted by samson721
    I was able to locate the rear spoiler on motorsport, its the 432 style rear spoiler.
    The rear spoiler on the car is a stock UK market factory item, and is nothing to do with the 432.

    Notice that the lenses on the front indicator repeaters ( on the front wings / fenders ) are mounted upside down? When Nissan GB displayed the car at the Goodwood Revival Meeting some years ago, my KPGC10 was displayed alongside it. We were tempted to correct the indicator lenses ourselves but never got around to it. They are still like it to this day.....

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    A front picture of an UK early Z Click image for larger version. 

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    "72 UK Brochure" from Ebay UK. It is similar. LHD is strange.

    No "Bumperettes"? Are they required for regional regulations elsewhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by guaro View Post
    A front picture of an UK early Z Click image for larger version. 

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    That's the same car as in the original post, complete with one-piece aftermarket spoiler / valance / fender extensions. It's not stock. It's just trying to look like the stock UK market parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue View Post
    "72 UK Brochure" from Ebay UK. It is similar. LHD is strange.

    No "Bumperettes"? Are they required for regional regulations elsewhere?

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    Source:Datsun Nissan 240Z 1972 UK Market Sales Brochure | eBay
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    The UK market brochure used Nissan Europe-supplied images because Datsun UK ( a concession ) was too mean to pay for their own RHD-specific studio shots.

    UK market cars didn't have the "Bumperettes" as stock equipment, but they were available as an extra-cost option.

    The car in the brochure looks how the yellow car in the OP is supposed to look. ie it has the correct ( metal ) fender extensions and front valance, and the correct ( urethane ) front spoiler / air dam. It also has the front indicator units mounted on the top of the bumper to comply with the European lighting height regulations ( unlike the Nissan GB press car ) and even the front fender / wing indicator repeater lenses are mounted correctly...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HS30-H View Post
    That's the same car as in the original post, complete with one-piece aftermarket spoiler / valance / fender extensions. It's not stock. It's just trying to look like the stock UK market parts.
    I like the side rear view mirrors, they are used on several UK early cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guaro View Post
    .....they are used on several UK early cars.
    Actually, the very first UK cars didn't have them. They were used on almost all subsequent UK market 240Z and 260Zs though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HS30-H View Post
    The rear spoiler on the car is a stock UK market factory item, and is nothing to do with the 432.
    The rear spoiler in the pictures I posted has the flat part for the emblems and a bit more angled at the sides than the BRE, just like the 432 style 240Z spoiler. If its not the same one its almost identical. though the spoiler in the photos could be the 432 style and not what the euro 240Zs originally came with

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    Despite what MSA's marketing department might want you to think, there is no such thing as a "432 specific" rear spoiler.

    The very first spoiler for the S30-series Z range was specific ( as factory stock fitment ) to the PS30-SB 'Fairlady Z432-R'. This design - with its two reinforcing ribs ( which collected water between them.... ) was very distinctive. The PS30 'Fairlady Z432' did not have this rear spoiler as stock equipment, but it was an extra cost option. The very same spoiler was also offered as an extra cost option on the other Fairlady Z models ( S30-S 'Fairlady Z' and S30 'Fairlady Z-L' ) which were sold during the same period.

    This rear spoiler was superseded by another - similar - design, but this time without the water-gathering ribs. They too had the flat sections on the rear surface on which the emblems could be mounted. This design of spoiler was used on UK and European mainland market 240Z models as stock factory fitment. The ribbed design was not.

    The rear spoiler on the yellow Nissan GB press car in the photos in the original post is the second, non ribbed, stock UK & European market type.

    Trust me. I know what I'm talking about.

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    The replica 'Euro' spoiler pictured on the yellow 240Z above is made by Fourways Engineering: Fourways Engineering Classic Sports Car Specialists

    They have two versions available: just the front spoiler (a bolt-on) and the one piece valance + front spoiler pictured above.

    From what I've gathered, I don't think they'll ship to the States (don't quote me on that!), which is why I am picking it up on of each version in person during my trip to the UK later this September.
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    HS30-H, are we talking about a highly revered vintage GT car or a semi classic type GT. I like the Datsun 240Z/S30 but makes me wonder on it's place as a collector car. I see plenty of publications that deal with classic car and little is mention on the Z. I see that you are in the UK, what is the position of the Z in the land that has so many cars that are view with great fame . ( forgive my thread sabotage but it is related to the car and spoiler)
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    Quote Originally Posted by guaro View Post
    HS30-H, are we talking about a highly revered vintage GT car or a semi classic type GT. I like the Datsun 240Z/S30 but makes me wonder on it's place as a collector car. I see plenty of publications that deal with classic car and little is mention on the Z. I see that you are in the UK, what is the position of the Z in the land that has so many cars that are view with great fame . ( forgive my thread sabotage but it is related to the car and spoiler)
    That's potentially a big and complicated topic, and probably best discussed in its own dedicated thread.

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    I've got a Euro front spoiler on my '72 that the original owner purchased & installed. Its functional, but I'm not in love with it & if anyone has a strong desire I'd be happy to sell it.


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    So the front air dam that I have looks a little different than the original posting above, but still appears to be designed and made for the 240z based on the contours and the mounting brackets.. It is made of some form of rubber/foam and is attached to the lower valance by about 7 bolts. Below are some pictures and a YouTube video of the entire thing.




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    Thanks Dave, just PM'ed you.
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    MJP Eastern Auto sells replica Euro spoilers for $140 + shipping. You guys will freak when you what its cost to send something over the atlantic.
    Fibreglass panels for 240Z / 260Z

    They also have the G-Nose type 1 & type 2 for $685 + shipping.

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