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    So, I picked up a car this afternoon.



    She's a bit rusty.



    OK, a lot rusty!



    In fact it might be extremely costly to save her.



    But there is hope! For where there was once life...



    ...there can be life once again.



    That is if I replace every part here.



    And every part here.



    I'm sure I can afford to replace everything in this photo.



    If I step on this it will just go away. Problem solved.



    I don't need to worry about this section - if I try real hard I can always just stare forward.



    But what is this! A donor car!? That's only half rusted...



    It is possible we just might hear this engine sing again...



    And this body roll with pride again...



    And this plate shine again...



    For her 50th birthday.

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    WOW great find!
    There is scarcely anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse, and sell a little more cheaply.
    The person who buys on price alone is this man's lawful prey.


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    Glad it's you and not me!
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    Awesome find!

    Chuck
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    Awesome find. But no way to ever recoup even 50% of the money it would take to fix this up however.

    Props to you if you move ahead. I would name it Lazarus as you will have brought it back from the dead

    Steve

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    It can be worth the money when you find a buyer in Japan.

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    hLs-17 was yellow... do you think they did hs-19 in that batch?
    There is scarcely anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse, and sell a little more cheaply.
    The person who buys on price alone is this man's lawful prey.


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    Quote Originally Posted by crazee1 View Post
    Awesome find. But no way to ever recoup even 50% of the money it would take to fix this up however.

    Props to you if you move ahead. I would name it Lazarus as you will have brought it back from the dead

    Steve
    Maybe not, sheet metal work doesn't have to be expensive if you have the skills and time... if you have to let a body shop do it.. yes.

    Great find ! Would be awesome to see this restored back to glory..
    HLS30 32581, 5/71 Matching numbers

    Jay Leno : You know one week after the Americans have walked on the moon, the Japanese introduced this sports car, andÖif youíre a car guy pretty equal. I mean walking on the moon was pretty good, but how many times youíd gonna walk on the moon? But here was an affordable sports car that had real performance and looked like it cost a lot more than it did.

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    So you keep all the metal around the VIN plates, and you keep the engine (or at least the short block). And you replace everything else! But...

    Very cool find!
    My last three sports cars while I still owned all three:

    2001 BMW Z3 Roadster 3.0i soft/hard top (sold)
    1966 Ford Mustang Coupe (sold)
    1978 Datsun 280Z (enjoying very much )

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    George,
    I cannot wait to follow this thread!
    What a task!

    Good luck.

    Dave
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    A double digit VIN is probably worth trying to save. As others have mentioned, do as much of the work yourself as time permits. If you farm the work out, you probably won't recoup 50Ę on the dollar if you eventually sell in the next 30 years.

    I'm familiar with at least one rare Porsche being reconstructed around a VIN from a car that was too far gone to rebuild. Something to consider, depending on how you define the soul of a car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazee1 View Post
    Awesome find. But no way to ever recoup even 50% of the money it would take to fix this up however.
    Thanks Steve. I don't view this as an investment so I'm not concerned about recouping my costs. That happens all too rarely with cars anyway.



    Quote Originally Posted by Blue View Post
    hLs-17 was yellow... do you think they did hs-19 in that batch?
    I need to confirm the colour code somehow. It looks to be one of the orange based ones. I'm guessing 920 at this stage.

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    Just wondering....any other brave tasks you're taking on mate? Like wrestling a 16 foot crock or boxing a kangeroo? It is a low number and it'll be fun watching you take her apart. Good Luck.....if you run into Ozconnection, give him my best!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue View Post
    hLs-17 was yellow... do you think they did hs-19 in that batch?
    In a word, no.

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    Great find, I hope you go through with bringing her back to life.
    75 280Z almost done
    49 Chevy 3100 p/u next project
    96 Dodge 2500 4X4 tows my 5th wheel

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    Default lots of metalwork

    Speaking of rust and australia, I ran
    across this guy on youtube thats
    from australia and is really into
    doing rust repairs on old datsuns.
    check out some of his videos.

    if you are looking for someone to do
    the rust repair you might look him up.
    From the looks of it he's damn good
    at what he does.

    260z restoration day 2 - YouTube
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    Would love to know how you think HLS30-00017 was yellow, Blue.
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    My error... I looked at the left column here Z Car Registry - Online Spreadsheets - EditGrid

    That be silver.

    s/n 48 looks like the first yellow one (so far)
    There is scarcely anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse, and sell a little more cheaply.
    The person who buys on price alone is this man's lawful prey.


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    Although I won't be updating this thread all that often I would like to share milestone updates. With that in mind here is the first one:

    Tonight I'm contemplating sleeping inside my empty car shell as it will be the last time I see it for many months.

    Tomorrow it will be picked up and delivered to Custom and Classic Cars 1,400 km away who will restore it to its former glory.

    No tears will be shed when the car is towed away; maybe tears of joy - I've swept away more rust than any man ought to.


    Here is the shell as it stands.




    Stripping the 240Z

    As a boy I took great pleasure in taking things apart and seeing how they work. If they functioned when I put them back together it was a bonus but that was never a measure of success and I never let that get in the way of my fun. To this day I enjoy the process and Iíve learned that taking things apart requires less finesse and is usually a lot easier than putting them back together. The opposite applies to a neglected and severely rusted car.

    For the past couple of months I have been chipping away at stripping the 240Z. It currently sits in the garage bare of all the bits that make it a functioning marvel. It has been a time consuming process (partly because the car is at my parentís place) with frustrations along the way but all of it enjoyable. A snapped bolt here and a stubborn clip there, strange wires and plywood panels aplenty Ė and of course the odd coin found for my purse.

    Observations

    The first thing that you notice after stripping a car is that the parts you take off take up far more room than they have a right to. After all, they werenít taking up much room while on the car but all of a sudden you need boxes and shelves, hanging room and wall space for leaning panels on and snap lock bags for nuts, bolts and clips aplenty. Itís about here that you start to appreciate the work that went into manufacturing and assembling what is an elegant mechanical machine.

    I sought out advice prior to starting the stripping process and received a lot of good tips (thanks to you guys). Repeatedly I was told to bag and tag everything, even the broken parts. This advice was echoed in Wick Humbleís book, 'How to Restore Your Datsun Z-Car'. I have taken this advice on board but havenít been obsessed about it. Some of the parts were not original so it was pointless to waste my time with labeling and storing them, others seemed so obvious as to not require any documentation while others yet, for example the wiring, seemed so complex that it was pointless for me to fuss over it since I have no plans to do the job myself. I might be regretting that last one as I am now considering having a goÖ

    Other advice mentioned patience and a delicate touch. The car is over 40 years old and requires a gentle and patient hand. I can tell you Iíve used hammers and mallets, grinders both large and small, screwdrivers that will scare the screws off by simply pointing at them, vice grips that have survived what looks like a throwing competition, but most of all a large broom to sweep away the rust that falls off every time I breathe near the car. I will concede it takes a delicate touch at times but when that bastard of a bolt doesnít want to budge after being soaked in enough penetrating liquids to develop a mild addiction to it, you just have to bring out the breaker bar and standby with a grinder as a threat.


    Mistakes

    You wonít learn anything unless you have a go and make some mistakes. I had a go and now I know that taking out a windshield with previously mentioned scary screwdriver is not a good idea. The right tool for the job rings a bell but when you donít have that right tool itís mighty tempting to make do with whatís at hand. Exercising patience avoids costly mistakes.

    Throwing out damaged original parts is a big mistake with emphasis on the word original. Even if you would never use that part again it makes sense to keep it for reference until the day you have a replacement in hand. There are so many variations in parts from early cars to late cars, between models and between cars of different markets that finding the exact part you need becomes a huge task without an original for reference. This of course applies only if you are concerned with originality which I am. I learned this lesson very quickly and now I have a cache of broken clips, panels, bits of trim and even some brown stuff that looks like horse hairÖ

    Mechanical

    Mechanical objects fascinate me. My intention is not to sound macho but I love the challenge of stripping something bare, getting my hands dirty with its grease and grime, figuring out how it all works in a detective like manner and damned be your instruction manual as I soak up the marvel, the simplicity of mechanical objects designed and built by my fatherís functional and practical generation.

    The 240Z is one of these mechanical objects and while certain parts of it are complex and possibly beyond my mediocre skills, the majority of it is simple and just makes perfect mechanical sense as Iím tearing it down which gives me confidence for the restoration and then the assembly phase of the project.

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    All I can say is---- OMG that's a lot of work.
    Steve
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    Looks like an unrestored Japanese Zero I just saw. Keep the momentum!
    There is scarcely anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse, and sell a little more cheaply.
    The person who buys on price alone is this man's lawful prey.


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    Ozzy.....I've got the perfect vanity plate: SWZCHZ as in Swiss Cheese.
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    wow, just watched the video - looks like more air than car in some places! reminds me of an old f100 my dad had that we called the "roadshow truck" because you could literally dangle your feet in the air as the road surface whizzed by underneath - less than enjoyable in the rain of course... and that vehicle did have an actual frame under it vs. unitbody.

    very cool find, looking forward to seeing it rise from the ashes - maybe another vanity plate could be:

    PHOENX
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    WOW! That's the rustiest car I've ever seen! I hope your welding guy takes lots of pics for us, so that we can marvel at his workmanship!
    My last three sports cars while I still owned all three:

    2001 BMW Z3 Roadster 3.0i soft/hard top (sold)
    1966 Ford Mustang Coupe (sold)
    1978 Datsun 280Z (enjoying very much )

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