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    Default My 260Z progress thread

    How are everyones Z related new years resolutions coming along?

    Here is a sneak peak photo of my weekend activities on the Z formerly known as Cuongs.
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    Default took all weekend

    To pull the motor.


    Hmmm seems like someones been drinking to much beer

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    Nice work if you can get it, some if us had to work,

    You know that other job, the one that pays the bills (almost)
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    Hi James,

    what are your plans for the 260Z? You mentioned in another thread that the motor is going to be built in NZ... so give us the run down

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    Talking Good to see your making progress

    yeah I'm playing with the idea of switching engine heads or building another engine.

    Still unsure .

    Good to see you've made some progress there I know what fun it is removing it just havn't discovered how much fun it is to put it back.

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    Well It didnt take all weekend, just sunday afternoon.
    Sunday morning was used for stripping manifolds, assembling my new crane and buying chains and high tensile bolts fromt he hardware store.

    I am getting the following made in NZ:

    rebuilt RB30DET (RB30/RB25 hybrid)
    rebuilt T3/T4 turbo
    custom gtr style plenum and tb+linkages

    The list goes on for about a page with other little bits but that is the bulk of it.
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    the car now
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    unpleasant suprises (but this is it, floorpans etc are as new)
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    Ewwww, drunkenmaster, those are some gross pics. What do you do when you get rot in an area like the quarter window sill? I'm a youngster and don't know a lick about body work. My 72 is starting to rot out around the rear quarter panels and I don't know what to do. All I know is that I want to get it painted in the near future and I figure I'll just get that work done at that time. And another (stupid) question: while I'm getting the paint redone, it would probably be a good idea to get the entire body straightened out (dents, dings, etc.) right? Thanks for any info.

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    Originally posted by drunkenmaster
    Well It didnt take all weekend, just sunday afternoon.
    Sunday morning was used for stripping manifolds, assembling my new crane and buying chains and high tensile bolts fromt he hardware store.

    I am getting the following made in NZ:

    rebuilt RB30DET (RB30/RB25 hybrid)
    rebuilt T3/T4 turbo
    custom gtr style plenum and tb+linkages

    The list goes on for about a page with other little bits but that is the bulk of it.
    Whereabouts or who in NZ is building your engine?
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    Originally posted by craigcully

    Ewwww, drunkenmaster, those are some gross pics. What do you do when you get rot in an area like the quarter window sill? I'm a youngster and don't know a lick about body work. My 72 is starting to rot out around the rear quarter panels and I don't know what to do. All I know is that I want to get it painted in the near future and I figure I'll just get that work done at that time. And another (stupid) question: while I'm getting the paint redone, it would probably be a good idea to get the entire body straightened out (dents, dings, etc.) right? Thanks for any info.

    The ONLY way in my opinion is to cut out the bad metal and weld in new metal. It was suprising to me that the lower radiator and rear 1/4 window were rusted so bad where as the bulk of the car is very rust free, usually you get a whole lot of in between, not 2 extremes.

    Anybody work you require is obviously preferably done before new paint
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    Originally posted by drunkenmaster I am getting the following made in NZ:

    rebuilt RB30DET (RB30/RB25 hybrid)
    rebuilt T3/T4 turbo
    custom gtr style plenum and tb+linkages

    The list goes on for about a page with other little bits but that is the bulk of it.

    Wow! That's going to be quite a monster.

    Ditto wanting to know who built it and if your willing, what sort of money this will cost. I have a mate that's quite seriously looking to build/have built such an RB30DET.

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    The past two days I've been sorting out a bunch of electrical gremlins, namely due to most of the wiring in this car having been seriously molested by the previous owner/dong head.

    So....things that now work, that didn't before:
    •Stop lights
    •Map light (rebuilt with a good micro switch, still works as per normal though)
    •Glove box light (needs a new bulb though)
    •Stereo
    •Stereo now has an antenna
    The Romantic Toe Light™ (see pic)
    •Horn button in center of steering wheel is hooked up (I have no switch on the end of the indicator stalk as the "bell ends" at the panel shop broke it)

    Also I've
    •Replaced all fuses
    •Clean up a sh*te load of dodgy wiring....still plenty to go however
    •Fixed the parkers/dash light switch. Well almost, just waiting for the epoxy "tit" to cure, then will assemble it all tomorrow. See HERE for details.

    Here's a pic of the Romantic Toe Light™. Does anyone else have this in their zed?



    ....and no it isn't actually that bright! That's an 8sec exposure.
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    mmmmmmmmmm.....feeeeeet...

    Hee hee! Hey I never put the thing there! Yet another "quirk" of owning my zed. Mind you, I really don't see that thing getting much use unless I aquire another minister for war and finance that has a foot fetish of her own.

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    I didn't add it myself. It was one of the previous owners. Why i don't know. It has a little switch on the body of the thing to turn it on and off which is sort of cumbersome as you have to reach up behind the glove box. Turning it off it's rather easy to burn yourself on the bulb, which made me think that it certainly aint factory.

    Anyhow, it was working back when I bought the car, however it seems to have been unhooked when it was at the body shop....buggers me why. Then again nothing supprises me with their level of incompetence.

    There's other wierd things in my car. Eg the hi/low beam switch has now been replaced with one just above the foot rest. You actuate it with your left big toe. Apparently a lot of the old holdens had a setup like that.

    Under the center console there are two looms that come out into 5 plugs. Not a single one of them is plugged into anything! There's one wire taped off one of them for the acc 12V for the stereo, but that's it!

    I've worked out the plugs are for the rear demister, radio, hazard lights, something to do with the aerial and choke warning switch. I think.

    A few questions:
    - Where is the aerial supposed to be on a aussie 260 2 seater? I don't have one, other than an after market one that is a little black box that sits at the top center of the windscreen.
    - Can some either show me a detailed pic, or describe for me the warning lights and switch layout on the center console.

    Check the attached pic for what I have there. The demister switch and wiring is all there, just not plugged in. None of the other switches are connected to anything. What am i missing?
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    This weekend I did something different again:
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    Nice work!

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    Is that your garage, DM?

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    That's Zworx if I'm not mistaken.

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    correct, that would be some www.zworx.com.au
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    drunkenmaster ........ looks like you won't have too many free weekends this year.... hope it all goes well.

    ...... any reason you getting your motor build in NZ ........ ?

    ..... and why not go for a GT series Garret turbo instead of the T3/TO4 as I found the GT series much more responsive.

    BTW ...... Cuong Nguyen..... how long before your car is finished ??? l
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    what ballpark am i looking for the equivalent GT series turbo?
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    How much power are you chasing ??? ........ will you be doing circuit racing as well ?
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    Realistic 250 kw at the wheels, car is built more for track than drag strip but after spending so much time on the body i dont know if I want the stone chips
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    I’d go one of the bigger GT30s , or a smaller GT35. Both will require external gate.
    With the GT30 it will make boost from 2300 – 2800rpm range and full boost by 3500 rpm, as a friend of mine has this setup in his R33 GTS-T.
    The car has on 14.5psi 320rwkw, and run 12.3 @ 124mph on street rubber.

    Also my mechanic got a RB30DET (rb26 head) motor in his GTR that makes 505rwkw on synergy, but that’s a big $$$ motor. He did 1:18 around Sandown with only 400rwkw a few months ago on street tyres, and drove it home after.

    What other mods are you doing, what ECU ?
    Also who will be tuning it once finished ?
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    1:18 is f@#$ing quick for a road car. Infact its bloody quick for a race car. Must be a real point and shot car though.I bet his engine cost more than my whole race car. Let me know when hes going to be on the track again cuase I would love to see it.


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    zr240 ............ I think this picture will answer your question




    check out the website for details:
    RACEPACE MOTORSPORT


    drunkenmaster.................I would highly recommend RACEPACE Motorsport for tuning of your car. I got Sinisha to go there with his rb26 240Z and he found another 40rwkw at the top end, and gained 60rwkw at 5000rpm. He also did my GT30 install and tune.
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    I contacted racepace and will see what they say.

    The reason I chose this NZ workshop is that they specialise in building these motors and have a 10 second skyline using one, they also offered me a great deal on fabricating engine mounts and sump for me using a dummy car.

    HOWEVER it is turning out not to be as smooth as I wanted when they accidently got in a 280ZX dummy car instead of a 240z/260Z, im now trying to find a 240Z/260Z wreck in NZ.

    It was a gamble, we will see what happens in the end

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    Seam welding all round and frame rail extensions anyone?
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    Those frame rail extensions are a good idea. Very little extra weight and its low weight.

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    Originally posted by 260DET
    Very little extra weight and its low weight.
    Im not sure what you mean?

    I have decided to shy away from a cage so hopefully the seam welding, rails extended to the rear and maybe some strut tower braces will be the next best thing as far as flex is concerned.

    Here is another pic of the fabricated rail extension, obviously not finished yet
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    I had my shell stitch welded when it was restored & the plastic interior panel still creak when going around corners!

    RB30DET eh?
    http://home.iprimus.com.au/cobra30/twincam.htm

    This car is owned by a friend of mine, he's just put that engine in an R31 4-door. Talk about a sleeper....
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    Originally posted by drunkenmaster
    Im not sure what you mean?

    I have decided to shy away from a cage so hopefully the seam welding, rails extended to the rear and maybe some strut tower braces will be the next best thing as far as flex is concerned.

    Here is another pic of the fabricated rail extension, obviously not finished yet
    IMHO your extensions are a good idea as is the seam welding. The extensions weigh very little and the weight is low as in center of gravity.

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    Originally posted by Ben
    I had my shell stitch welded when it was restored & the plastic interior panel still creak when going around corners!

    .................................................. ....
    A mates car was seam welded and has a bolt in half cage fitted. And its plastic is quiet, unlike mine which is now getting the half cage treatment too.

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    Please excuse my ignorance, but what is seam welding?
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    It "seams" to be a form of welding.

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    Rusty1, Seam welding is going over the chassis, when all the crap is out of the way, and making short welds (stitch welds) along all the seams of the different chassis pieces. This process tightens up the chassis. Pretty much a good idea for big HP and competition applications if allowed. Chassis bracing via a roll cage and strut tower bracing is the next step. Does this clear things up for ya?

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    Thanks 240zx,

    It is important to learn something new every day.

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    Its all starting to fall into place:
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    Looks good.. has it reached you in Aus or is it still over here in NZ?
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    Still over there.

    Havent found a 260Z wreck over there so it will come here with no mounts and OEM sump.

    Still trying to sort out turbo details.

    On Jack's advice I'm looking at a GT30 over the T3/T04 as was my original plan, but apparently they are considerably more expensive over there, perhaps I will have to buy and fit it here also and make up the lines.

    The plumbing i.e oil and water lines is one thing I dont really want to do that much of.
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    Can you not find one cheap in Aus or elsewhere and have it shipped over? Alternatively you could put a wanted ad on the SDU forums page and that way you could pay for it and they send it directly to the guys for you. Mind you, I guess you'd ideally want a brand new one.
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    Originally posted by drunkenmaster
    Its all starting to fall into place:
    Looking good, verrry good, I want it.

    BTW, how is the shipping to/from NZ working out? I know of two RB20DET gearboxes available in NZ. I want one...........

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    how much are those boxes?

    I heard rb25det boxes command $2000+NZD, which is approaching double what they are worth here.
    That made me want to look for boxes locally.
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    They are RB20DET boxes DM, unfortunately for you. Good strong box though not as tough as the bigger 25 box. How was your freight organised BTW, got a name for me?

    Really do love your engine, drool, yumm.

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    Yes I noticed that, but I was trying to get at that boxes in general might be cheaper over here.

    My freight isn't organised yet, but I will let you know this week who it is done through.

    where are the boxes coming from?
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    From NZ, DM, around $750 each. But the freight thing is not going to work with you in Melbourne and me in Bris. Sorry, should have thought of that sooner.

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    Its probably not worth it anyhow, those boxes are only around the $500 mark locally on the 2nd hand market.
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    She's home at last, the motor that is.
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    Nice.

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    Woohoo! Excellent stuff.

    Let us see another pic when she's all unwrapped
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    I had to restrain myself.

    I am looking in the trading post this week for a large roller door to complete my newly concreted garage (read: a lot of work).

    I thought it was best to leave it covered in the off chance of and horizontal flying rain shooting in
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    Lets hope that the Kiwi's did a great job on the motor. Otherwise we can go over there and pull the plug.

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    From this:
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    4 months later and the garage is finally done.

    A lot more work than i had planned, but at least I have a good place to work on the car now.
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    Finally back from Japan, time to get back into working on the Z.

    Here is where I left off 3 months ago:
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    Love the suspension set up

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    wow that look really nice
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    SHE WILL BE ROAD WORTHY

    Speed cost money. How fast do you want to go?

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    OK, now show us the ZG flares you brought back and the moulds being made to reproduce them

    BTW your suspension colour scheme is exactly the same as mine

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    Thanks.

    Lucky I left your flares in Japan, I almost didnt make my flight after not realising how strict Japanese Airport is on luggage weight and hand carry. $100 later I got on the plane.

    I spent boxing day with a tube bender modifying my brake and fuel lines to clear the chassis rail extensions. Unfortunately it didnt look like it was possible but as I had nothing to lose I gave it a shot anyway and now I have brake and fuel lines that no longer fit the car.
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    Been slack since Christmas and getting back form Japan.

    Finally got my modified crossmember back on after having the grind back the control arm bush crush tubes to fit the washers that were welded behind the new holes, wasnt impressed with the engineering there.

    Anyways, heres a look at the front suspension and brakes finally sitting on.
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    Thats good, now whats next?

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    Next is reco'ing the steering as per the steering discussion thread on these boards

    Then and only then may we finally see the RB30DET where it belongs, its almost in sight now
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    Hey Drunkenmaster,

    I really like your brakes (front and rear), what are they off?

    Was there much work involved in fitting them?

    I am fitting a VQ30DET NEO into my s30 and need some better brakes and would be grateful for some info on yours.

    Regards

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    RP975: Very cool conversion you're doing (VQ) on your zed.
    I've also been looking into exactly the same swap for some time now. You have any photos or info on the swap on the net anywhere? I'd be really interested to see exactly how you've gone about the swap. One thing I'd heard is that the turbo setup will foul on the shock tower, just wondering if that's true? What gearbox have you used?
    I'll be very interested to hear from you and I'm sure I'll have plenty of questions for you later.
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    Hey Datto-Zed,

    There are some photos in my gallery, yes the turbo would foul the rails,
    I will have to make new exhausts, plenum, x-member. I will post more photos when I get a chance.
    At the moment I will use the CVT trans.
    If you have any questions let me know.

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    Thanks Robert. Just had a look at the pics.....I always knew the engine was compact, but not that compact! Is there any chance you would be able to measure the engine dimensions (minus turbo and plumbing etc) for me (if you don't already know them that is)? I'm curious as another swap I'm seriously considering is a VQ25DE into my little datsun sunny. While I'm at it, do you know the weight at all? I've had a lot of trouble finding reliable info on these motors so far.

    Thanks again,
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    Quote Originally Posted by RP975
    Hey Drunkenmaster,

    I really like your brakes (front and rear), what are they off?

    Was there much work involved in fitting them?
    The front are PBR VT commodore calipers on merc brembo slotted rotors, the rear are XF Falcon.

    I can't take the credit for building them as I bought them already assembled from a friend who changed the direction of his project.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Datto-Zed
    Is there any chance you would be able to measure the engine dimensions (minus turbo and plumbing etc) for me (if you don't already know them that is)? I'm curious as another swap I'm seriously considering is a VQ25DE into my little datsun sunny. While I'm at it, do you know the weight at all? I've had a lot of trouble finding reliable info on these motors so far.
    Hi Justin

    I just thought i'd let you know that i started a new thread concerning the VQ swap if you wanted to check it out.

    VQ thread

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    Great stuff....thanks Robert.
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    Hey James,

    what diff did you end up getting for your zed

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    I picked up a 3.9 R200 clutch LSD from a DR31 in SA.

    I havent checked it out yet, it is just sitting there as you can see.
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    Motor went in a while ago and was promptly removed again when the gearbox didnt fit between the mounting points.

    Got the diff reco'd, almost put that in but looked at the canvas strap and thought, maybe not. An adjustable stay has since arrived from Alan Stean in QLD.

    Plan to take some measurements of the firewall, floors and doors and order some dynamat, so I get get cracking on installing all the interior parts and pedals etc.

    If only it wasnt so cold out in the garage...and I hadnt been so busy wasting time and money buying a house.
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    After another long stint in Japan, it's time to get back to work.

    I started by applying dynamat to the cabin and reinstalling my pedal box and steering shaft along with new urethane coupling.
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    Back after an even longer stay in Japan (almost 1 year)!

    Finally those pesky gearbox mounting points are off the car and the engine/gearbox can be fitted freely

    Only negative point is that I didnt do it
    I bit the bullet and finally took the car to some professionals to get the gearbox mount and EFI system sorted. Cowardly I know.
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    Turns out the EFI didnt get sorted and the car came back with not much changed but the gearbox mount.
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    Bugger. And they've only had two years to do it!
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