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    Does anyone know if c110 skylines or 240k-GT's etc, came out with electric/power windows, mainly for the 2dr version. I wan't to put some in my 240k-GL coupe, I have found that the main contol switch from a c210 skyine centre consul fits perfect in the consul of the 240K. There is a lift out blank panel in the 240k consul that this switch bolts into, the screw holes are there and everything. This makes me think they were thinking about bringing out electric windows or they came out in other models and not the ones in Australia. If anyone can share some light on this topic I would appreciate it.

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    Both of the one's I saw at the recent Japanese Classic Car Show had power windows. I believe they were brought in from Japan.
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    Thanks stephen, at least I know I'm not chasing something that doesn't exist. Hopefully someone might no where to find the mechanisms.

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    You might want to check with member 'akwikz'. He owns the silver one that was at the show.
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    They sure did! Confined to the JDM models though.I've only ever seen one in Australia, an imported Skyline badged C110 two door with lotsa options including power windows.(~20 years ago in Newtown!) The K&HGC110 GTX ES & EL model Skylines from 9/72 on would have been the most likely candidates. I have a '71-'72 KGC10 GTX that has factory fast glass!
    I do have a 240K parts manual I can check later........

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    yes they did i have a 73 skyline GTX C110 and the door panels have no holes in them for any crank mechanism and in the side of the door had wires sticking out unfortunately whoever owned my car before me forgot to leave me with some windows....DOH!!!!

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    Indeed Jim is correct, the JDM c110 GTX model skylines came with electric windows from the factory. If you are familiar with Yahoo Auctions Japan, you may be able to source a set up from a seller there. Otherwise the only real option would be to order the cranks etc from nissan jp, unless the c210 items would do the trick? I would think it to be unlikely, however, as the c210 has differently shaped doors and glass.

    As a side note, Jim, i dont belive the c110 was available to the public in either Japan or export markets before 1973. Prove me wrong !

    And one other thing. The blanked out panel on the centre console in the Oz spec 240k gl/gt's is obviously for the 'leccy windows, but howbout the round blanked out switch socket next to the hazard switch on the Oz 240k? Anyone knows what would go there in a JDM model?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The C110
    Indeed Jim is correct, the JDM c110 GTX model skylines came with electric windows from the factory. If you are familiar with Yahoo Auctions Japan, you may be able to source a set up from a seller there. Otherwise the only real option would be to order the cranks etc from nissan jp, unless the c210 items would do the trick? I would think it to be unlikely, however, as the c210 has differently shaped doors and glass.

    As a side note, Jim, i dont belive the c110 was available to the public in either Japan or export markets before 1973. Prove me wrong !

    And one other thing. The blanked out panel on the centre console in the Oz spec 240k gl/gt's is obviously for the 'leccy windows, but howbout the round blanked out switch socket next to the hazard switch on the Oz 240k? Anyone knows what would go there in a JDM model?
    Ya know, the Japanese don't like to make too much "special" parts. That's why there's blank-outs in certain common parts. GTXs came with power windows, the rest did not. I bet if you pulled a GTX door panel off and looked in back, you'd find a cut-out where the manual window crank would be that's not punched out. My 2000GT has the same blank-out panel on the console where the GTX's power window switches would go. They weren't even an option for my car.

    The only difference in the door between a power window car and a crank window car would be the electric motor and regulator. Motors between C110s and C210s may interchange, but the regulator would certainly be different.

    My car has a switch next to the hazzard switch that operates the parking lights. Could that be it? Jim, don't you have the same switch in your KGC10?
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    Hiya Tom, Miles, Everyone!
    As a side note, Jim, i dont belive the c110 was available to the public in either Japan or export markets before 1973. Prove me wrong !
    Goodonya Tom, I love a challenge
    Hey Miles,
    My car has a switch next to the hazzard switch that operates the parking lights. Could that be it? Jim, don't you have the same switch in your KGC10?
    I had a look, beside (left) my hazard switch is the fan motor switch. Up beside (right) the radio is a capped blank. There is a separate parking lamp switch mounted below and to the left of the steering column, when operated it lights the drivers side parking lights only...like some Euro stuff?

    Here's what I base the SEPT/ 1972 release date on Tom. Taken from the 1983 issue of
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    Symbol of 25 years of Quality(since 1957
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    Any reference to the year of a particular model or event appears to be a number that, if you add 25 to it, you get the Gregorian calendar year. For example, the pics I've posted mention 47 48 with reference to the C110. This translates to 72 and 73. I don't know why this is, it would seem to refer to 1925 as a starting point or event in Japan. Perhaps Industrial Japan was first on it's feet by then?? If anyone can answer this I'd be happy to hear about it.
    Anyway, back to the evidence! The first pic is the first adv. for a kgc110 I could find. Note the 47 9 reference in two places of the script at the bottom of the Ken&Mary adv. I interpret that as 1972 Sept.
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    This is from the same book, a chronological listing of all Skylines to 1983.
    Note the "first selling time" of S47.9 (no idea about the "S" in this context)

    Second pic; if you look around the pic of the white C110 you will note the same "47" with the year 1972 in brackets. I cannot read Japanese but that seems to me to be suggesting this was the year of release?
    If anyone can interpret this for us , it would be greatly appreciated!?
    Anyway Tom, there's my case. It's been fun. Like I said , I like a challenge, now it's back to you for the case for 1973
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    Quote Originally Posted by g72s20
    This is from the same book, a chronological listing of all Skylines to 1983.
    Note the "first selling time" of S47.9 (no idea about the "S" in this context)

    Second pic; if you look around the pic of the white C110 you will note the same "47" with the year 1972 in brackets. I cannot read Japanese but that seems to me to be suggesting this was the year of release?
    If anyone can interpret this for us , it would be greatly appreciated!?
    Anyway Tom, there's my case. It's been fun. Like I said , I like a challenge, now it's back to you for the case for 1973
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    The "S" stands for "Showa" the period of the Japanese Emperor at the time. So, S47 means the 47th year of the Showa Emperor's reign. It corresponds to 1972, as mine is a "Showa 46" or 1971. But you must understand calendar years and model years don't always match. In the US, traditionally, "new" model years come out in September; thus, the '06s have been out for sale already for three months. I don't know about the Japanese - in 2002, Toyota came out with a new model of the same car every month. Totally feasible that the Kenmeri was available in late 72.

    But we're getting way off the original topic of electric windows on Kenmeri Skylines . . . .
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    Yair...I was thinkin' the same thing Miles, so...just for 240KMan...here's the scan from the parts cattledog of the window regulator for the 240K GT and GL.
    NO mention anywhere in this parts manual for power windows. I had a dig through electrical and options as well.
    I've included a scan of the cover of the manual for reference
    'nother post coming
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    Default ...but from the JDM parts manual....

    A different story for a different market. Have a go at these.
    Note items 5 and 11 in the 3rd & 4th pics.
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    Thanks again for the information guys, I'm totally overwhelmed, by the information supplied and the effort gone to.

    JIM- these pictures are a great help, if I can't source these parts I might have a go at replicating them. One other question, the book of "chronological listing of skylines", is this book still available?

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    Hey Jim and all,

    Apologies for my delayed response, ive been holidaying in Melb for the past five days. In any case, thats some pretty comprehensive and compelling evidence, and to be honest, i dont have nearly as big guns to back my case up. It merely stems from vague, indirect conversations with others on forums and the like as to the availability of the c110 in 1972/73. Im glad youve been able to convincingly prove me wrong anyhow! - Thats a mighty fine publication you have in your posession, indeed is it still available? There is very little doubt in my mind that you are correct, however, it would be nice if someone could pop up and mention what the actual availability of the c110 was in late '72? How does this sound, though: As the debate has been waged for many years to determine the earliest AVAILABLE Z's, could the same scenario have beset the skyline - ie produced in late '69, not available till very early '70? Just a thought.

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    Exclamation Quick!!

    Can you get Yahoo(JP) serious?
    Here's the 1977 edition (first) on yahoo JP, not long to go unfortunately. Bit pricey but it IS one I would like http://page5.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/e52057797

    ....and here is the one I have, the 1982 edition (2nd I believe?) I bought it in 1983!
    http://page2.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/b62950543
    Not a bad price. I don't know where else you could get your hands on these books now!
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    Post here's what they look like

    the one with the firebreather is the copy I have, so is the isbn info.
    The one with the racing kpgc10s is the dearer 1977 copy. You'll find both on Yahoo auctions JP with the links in the previous post.

    P.S. if anyone manages to buy the first (1977) edition, please let me know. I'm very interested in the record in its sleeve in the back of the book!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by g72s20
    P.S. if anyone manages to buy the first (1977) edition, please let me know. I'm very interested in the record in its sleeve in the back of the book!!
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    Jim,
    I have the '77 ( 'Spirit Of Skyline - Symbol Of 20 Years Of Quality'' ) and '83 ( 'The Skyline - Symbol Of 25 Years Of Quality' ) books and I can tell you that they are both distinctly different books.

    They are both excellent, but the earlier one is bigger, is a hardback, and has more fold-outs and features. It must have cost a lot more to make.

    Ask Alfadog about the 'Sound Of Skyline' record in the back. I made a recording of it for him. He probably knows the words off by heart by now.

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    The first auction ends at 10:52. Nobody's bidding on it at this moment. At 10:00 or so, I will check again and if it's still up for grabs, I'll be bidding on it.

    Thanks, Jim!
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    You go get' em Miles! The quality of the publication will make it something to treasure. Good luck with it mate!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HS30-H
    Jim,
    I have the '77 ( 'Spirit Of Skyline - Symbol Of 20 Years Of Quality'' ) and '83 ( 'The Skyline - Symbol Of 25 Years Of Quality' ) books and I can tell you that they are both distinctly different books.

    They are both excellent, but the earlier one is bigger, is a hardback, and has more fold-outs and features. It must have cost a lot more to make.

    Ask Alfadog about the 'Sound Of Skyline' record in the back. I made a recording of it for him. He probably knows the words off by heart by now.

    Cheers,
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    I suspected as much Alan! Now you've simply hardened my resolve to aquire my own copy, but I will certainly be chatting with my good mate Lachlan about getting some form of copy of the record. Did you record it to cassette tape or CD-r?
    I recall seeing somewhere online during one of my trawling exercises, some 45rpm records with the sounds of '60s Japanese performance cars; Prince Skyline GT-B, Toyota 2000 GT....can't remember the rest
    I did find the "2&4" R380 History dvd you spoke of, "Best Motoring" have links on their site to resellers in Japan.....I'll see if the Japanese bookshop in Sydney will help out with getting one for me, along with the M3 entertainment compilation, although I'm yet to find it on line.
    Thanks for the info Alan
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    Quote Originally Posted by g72s20
    .....but I will certainly be chatting with my good mate Lachlan about getting some form of copy of the record. Did you record it to cassette tape or CD-r?
    I recorded it onto a C60 cassette for him. I don't have any equipment that would transfer a vinyl recording to CD-R......

    Which was funny, as when I gave it to Lachlan he looked as though I'd given him a papyrus scroll or something. Said he didn't have a cassette player in the house ( made me feel very old all of a sudden ).

    Hope you get those DVDs OK. They are worth every penny in my opinion.

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    I did not win the auction. I gave up after 2 or 3 bids. The auction has an extension option, whereby if in the last 5 minutes a bid is placed, the auction automatically extends. Needless to say, after 3 time extensions and the bid up to 15,501 with the incremental increase raised from 500 to 1,000, I called it quits. I'll check the winning bid later today and post it. I maxed out at 15,001, which is about 126.00 USD.

    The winning bid was 15,501. But, here's an odd footnote. The bidding ended about 11:20. Positive feedback was posted by the seller around 8:30. There is no way for the buyer to conclude the transaction that fast. The banks are all closed and don't open until 9:00 (Japanese pay by bank transfer). There is no way for the seller to access his account to check for payment for the same reasons. We smell something rotten. Sounds like a shill buyer boosting up the price for the seller. Lucky I gave up. We complained to Yahoo Japan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HS30-H
    I recorded it onto a C60 cassette for him. I don't have any equipment that would transfer a vinyl recording to CD-R......

    Which was funny, as when I gave it to Lachlan he looked as though I'd given him a papyrus scroll or something. Said he didn't have a cassette player in the house ( made me feel very old all of a sudden ).
    Sorry! But I did find a cassette player. I'll see if I can make a copy of it for you Jim.

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    If anyone has a disc in Oz and is prepared to package real carefully, I have the gear to do a digital copy, complete with de-popping, hiss reduction etc. Naturally that can be fired through the 'net for anyone to burn on their own CD burner.
    Same goes for any other rare soundtracks of the cars from the earlier years.

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