240Z Parts Variations

[hls30.com]

Hi everyone,
I was going through some of my parts yesterday and researching what variation of trim parts went on what "series" 240Z. I thought it might be a good idea to start a thread(one location) to show all of the variations of different parts that went into 240zs as they were manufactured.
My thought is to collect all of this info on this thread, and create a technical article that could help in defining a correct "what went when" parts time line and maybe help out in the creation of judging documentation that Carl Beck is working on.
My thought is to post side by side pictures of the variations of parts at a standardized background to make the formatting of the final document easier. My thought is to use a sheet(or more) of Quadrille paper (1/4" graph paper) as a background, and take as close a picture as your camera is clearly capable of. (the high res images could and would be resized for a standard format for the final documents)- please add your thoughts!
This way all parts could be identified and illustrated with part numbers and (hopefully rough apropriate dates) to make a correct restoration easier.
Here are some examples to start the ball rolling.

To my knowledge all of the parts pictured in this post are USA version-as they were all removed from LHD cars I have purchased or located salvage yards in the southeastern United States.

Will

[hls30.com]

I will gather the rest of my variants over the next several days and picture them the same way. Please add as you can, and suggest as you will! I'll come back with part numbers and dates where I can find them.
Will

[HS30-H]

I was going through some of my parts yesterday and researching what variation of trim parts went on what "series" 240Z. I thought it might be a good idea to start a thread(one location) to show all of the variations of different parts that went into 240zs as they were manufactured.

Will,

Can I suggest that any such list makes it quite clear as to which '240Z' it includes? You don't appear to have mentioned this.

Maybe it would be best to stick to the USA/Canada market 'HLS30U' versions ( making it quite clear what market version it applies to ), unless you want to include parts and specs relevant to European market 'HLS30' models - let alone RHD Export market and Japanese domestic market '240Z' models............... especially if the data might form part of the reference material to aid a 'judge' in assessing any particular car.

It would be a shame if a non-USA/Canada market car was judged as 'incorrect' in spec because data pertaining to a different market was being used to judge it.

Just a thought.

Alan T.

[hls30.com]

Thanks Alan, That is exactly the type of suggestion I am looking for, but I would like the parts variation defined by the person posting the parts as to what car/market/year it came from, and a consensus on where it actually appeared-IE #26 was manufactured in 69, but had seatbelts dated '72-obviously replaced somewhere along the way....
I would certianly love photos of any/all '68-'73 S30/S31s parts-but labled appropriately for the market they came from-I just recently got a copy of the S30-Gs30, S30 S31-GS30 GS31, S30 PS30 jdm manuals(man the art work is fine in them!).
As a matter of fact, I will be posting a Rhd headlight combination switch, and several other rhd pieces I have and contrasting them to the LHD variety, but I will wait untill the flow of this thread gets to the point that establishing some standards is at more of a consensus-I have found no evidece of something like this having been tried before, and because I know my own limitations in terms of knowledge and experience, I asked Everyone to jump in and join the collective in getting the job done well.

[EScanlon]

Will,

Can I suggest that any such list makes it quite clear as to which '240Z' it includes? You don't appear to have mentioned this.

Maybe it would be best to stick to the USA/Canada market 'HLS30U' versions ( making it quite clear what market version it applies to ), unless you want to include parts and specs relevant to European market 'HLS30' models - let alone RHD Export market and Japanese domestic market '240Z' models............... especially if the data might form part of the reference material to aid a 'judge' in assessing any particular car.

It would be a shame if a non-USA/Canada market car was judged as 'incorrect' in spec because data pertaining to a different market was being used to judge it.

Just a thought.

Alan T.

Alan:
I agree with what you've said here, but maybe I can toss in something that has caused me to be confused about the different "models".

The S30 and all it's variations did not arrive equally to ALL markets. As a result, there are HLS30 European and HLS30 United States (and it is from that U you used that I'm deriving that bit of information). But I'm deriving information that may have been garbled in my attempt at understanding it.

While this may have been addressed in various different threads, different variations have not been posted to ONE thread. That is partly what Will is trying to do.

Could you help us in turn, and give us a brief syllabus of the different S-30 models? This would help myself and others in being able to properly identify the specific model being referenced when posting the picture for a part.

What I'm suggesting would be along these lines:
(This is not accurate in the least, as I'm totally confused.)

S30: "Fairlady-Z" model; Sold in Japan only; 2.0 LITER engine; RHD
H-S30: 240z; Japan only; 2.4 Liter; RHD
H-L-S30: 240z; Europe only; 2.4 Liter; LHD
H-L-S30-U: 240Z: US/Canada; 2.4 Liter; LHD
L-S30: "Fairlady-Z"; ????; 2.0 Liter; LHD
G-S30: "Fairlady-Z";Japan only; 2.0L; RHD; Extended Hood/H-Lights
S31:
P-S31:
etc.

While this is something that you are well versed in, I find it baffling, and I'm sure there are others who are as perplexed as I am. I'm sure that in my brief example above, I've omitted and possibly "created" a model or two. But I think it explains how confusing it can be

This would allow those with parts with differences they've noted to properly document what model they found them on.

2¢
Enrique

[Wobbles1971]

Hi Will, Ill be following this post and adding what info I can here in the next few days after work tonight. I could use alot of info also for I have a bunch of bags and what not scattered containing knobs, radio pieces, trimming, ect. Most my interior pieces are dissasembled from my 72 and 71 and Im hoping to get them sorted out as well. I think the PO had a broken knob syndrome because its like all the knobs and interior pieces on both cars were taken off and held in bags.

[hls30.com]

Here are a few more, these I don't have a history of-I didn't pull them, but they were in USA version cars.
WIll

PS,
I will label the images and repost each of them as I find their suspected part numbers and issue dates.

[26th-Z]

Will,

That picture I sent to you was just the only picture I had available of an early seat belt buckle. It didn't come off 26th. And the reason I took the picture was because of the oddity - a later date on an early buckle.

Chris

[hls30.com]

Chris and Everyone,
OOPs-Sorry for both my assumption and misinformation.

Will

[26th-Z]

Enrique,

Alan is only partly correct with his "encompassing" description of the HLS30U. I would never jump down Alan's case like he does to me about something like this. I'm what is know as "rice rocket appreciative" and take his comments within the intent of his conversation. Happy New Year, Alan!

The HLS30 U is the general designation of the cars exported to North America. The HLS30 UN went to Canada. The HLS30 UV was specifically sold in California and because of the numbers of cars sold in California, probably makes up the configuration of most of the cars we see. The plain HLS30 U, like 26th, is the standard "Federal" car imported in the United States. I have the papers from 26th. She was imported in Jacksonville. If 27th was imported in New Jersey, she would be an HLS30 U also. Few know that I also own 403rd and in all probablility was an HLS30 UN. Generally speaking, the difference is that the UNs got higher amp generators and starters and the UV cars had different emmissions parts.

HLS30 Us that came equipped with an automatic transmission were HLS30AUs, or HLS30AUVs, or HLS30AUNs. The five-speed transmission was designated with the letter F which would derive a designation along the lines of HLS30FU. For the four-speed equipped North American export version the correctest way to type the designation would be with a space indication such as HLS30 U. 26th's correct title is HLS30 U-00026.

So! The "other" model designations came the same way and as much as Alan has tried to explain it to me, I am confused as hell also! The S30 and the HS30 came in two variations based on finished trim; what we would consider "options", not export destination. The "ZL" we speak about is a description of the delux version which included such items as headlight covers, 8-track player, foot rest, carpet, etc. The S30 and the HS30 were fitted with five-speeds and the delux finish whereas the S30S was fitted with the four-speed and no "options". It is the S30S which most resembles the HLS30 U. The HS30s came with a five-speeds. The same suffix A indicates the automatic trans.

The PS30 and PS30SB represent the Z432 with an S20 engine in delux format and racing version accordingly. The "ZG" is similarly designated HS30H and HS30HA. Note that there is no HS30HS. One only got the delux version in either five-speed or automatic.

Hope that helps.

[AZ-240z]

[QUOTE=26th-Z;201429]Enrique,

The HLS30 U is the general designation of the cars exported to North America. The HLS30 UN went to Canada. The HLS30 UV was specifically sold in California and because of the numbers of cars sold in California, probably makes up the configuration of most of the cars we see.

Chris,

I need to jump in here in the hope that you may give me some clarification about my car. On all of the tags on my car, the model & vin numbers are always given as HLS30-20419 without the UV designation. My monroney sticker gives a model #296, and port of entry as Los Angeles, CA. Should I be looking somewhere else for the UV designation?

Dan

[HS30-H]

Alan is only partly correct with his "encompassing" description of the HLS30U. I would never jump down Alan's case like he does to me about something like this. I'm what is know as "rice rocket appreciative" and take his comments within the intent of his conversation. Happy New Year, Alan!

Happy New Year to you too, Christopher

I didn't realise that I was apt to "jump down your case", and if that is the perception then I apologise. I'm certainly not singling you out for special treatment. I'm usually only trying to get things right for the benefit of us all and the doubtful posterity of the 'search' function, all the time with the Sword Of Damacles hanging over my head for daring to suggest that the S30-series Z cars are a family of cars with equal rights in terms of concept and design, rather than one 'supreme' deity and a bunch of "irrelevant" runts. You know what I'm talking about, don't you?

As I'm sure you realise, I didn't open up the can of worms of the U/UN/UV and their Auto suffix combinations as pertaining to Canadian and Californian versions of the '240Z' because it is just that; a can of worms. I think the 'U' suffix covers them all for the sake of discussion until we want to start getting more specific, no? I don't really consider myself a specialist on the LHD Export models, and I'm sure there are people here better armed to explain the differences between the 'Ontario' market version of the 'HLS30 UN' and all the other UNs, for example.

I saw a thread here the other day where a prospective purchaser was asking about the differences between the 'USA' market version(s) and Canadian versions(s) of the '240Z'. He got a few replies, but none answered the basic question. I felt sorry for him, as I know the answers should be readily available, but I didn't feel 100% confident that I would be the right person the attempt to address them......

To be honest, I'd expect to see more explanation and exploration of the suffixes on sites such as ours and - for example - zhome.com, but very few people seem to be au fait with them. Unlike the oft-used and abused "Series" designations, these prefixes and suffixes are FACTORY terms ( and therefore should mean something a little more concrete ) that would help us to understand what Nissan made - and even why they made them in some cases. Maybe we need to get our heads together and make a 'sticky'?

So! The "other" model designations came the same way and as much as Alan has tried to explain it to me, I am confused as hell also! The S30 and the HS30 came in two variations based on finished trim; what we would consider "options", not export destination.

The Japanese home market variants are particularly difficult to list up concisely, and they represent something of a moving target to boot. They have the most complicated variant listings, and buyers also had the possibility of choosing options and deletes that complicated matters still further. So - for example - Mr Suzuki could walk into a Nissan showroom in Sapporo in October 1971 and order an 'HS30 D', but decide to go with the 4-speed option instead of the standard 5-speed of that model, delete the radio and clock, but add a heated front screen as part of a 'cold weather pack' ( something not listed on the official printed options lists - but nonetheless available in certain areas of Japan ) and studded snow tyres. Trying to decipher Mr Suzuki's car 35 years later would prove rather difficult without having Mr Suzuki present to explain his choices to us.

Here are a couple of charts to help illustrate the points I'm trying to make ( Enrique, I hope this helps to start answering your post without actually getting too far into it, as I think the subject demands its own thread or 'sticky' really ). Remember that this is just a snapshot of what was available in one market at one point in time ( October 1971 ). Note too that they do not even list ALL of the possible variants ( PS30-SB 'Z432-R' is not listed, for example ) and the subject of low / high compression variants and optional equipment is barely touched on. Note too the 'nickname' terms given to the major variants ( 'PZ', 'PZR', 'ZS', 'HZ' etc etc ) and used internally by Nissan on factory documentation, parts lists etc which might further confuse and confound until you start to get used to them.

Will,
I'm sorry if all this has diverted the original intentions of your thread somewhat, but I think the point needed to be addressed. Even if you end up sticking to the different 'HLS30-U' sub-variants for the 'Parts Variations' topic discussion, I think it is a good idea for us all to bear in mind the wider connotations of the term '240Z'.

Alan T.

[26th-Z]

Alan,

Just a poke of Z fun and I know exactly what you speak about. Over the past few years, I have taken great delight from learning about the cars that never arrived in America and thus what made the American exports the popular cars they came to be. I find it highly ironic that a society so engrossed in options and luxuries received the basic stripped down version and point to this as evidence of how unsure Nissan was of their world marketing ideas at the time. Thanks for posting the pages of model information again. My last post came from those references.

It seems I have made a mistake. I said that the correct way to designate the HLS30 U was with a space as the parts manuals I have indicate such for the four-speed transmission type. However, to answer Dan's question I see the information typed differently on the only source I have indicating the U, UV, and UN suffix.

I'll have to go looking for the other thread you speak about, Alan. Research through the parts manuals will provide evidence of the various parts associated with the Canadian and California variants.

Chris

[hls30.com]

Alan,
I appreciate your insight, and your explanations.
As you know, I do think of all variations of S30(S31s) as a family. what I am trying to collect here is a record of the DNA alterations within that that family-actually to get at the changes that were undocumented(as far as I have found) by Nissan-no part number change accompanied the part change-and more probably due to the interpretation of parts suppliers.
For instance:
There were three heater fan control knob variations that I have(so far I have only pictured two), but only two part numbers are listed in the parts books.
There is only one part number for an antenna, yet, there are at least three variations in the trim(embossed hitachi insignia, satin finished, no embossing and satin finished, and polished and chrome plated)
There is also only a single part number for the heater control panel vent, yet there are two variations, one with no supporting webbing, and the later one with.
I want to show the differences that appeared through the life of the The entire family of 240Z cars, those that the factory called for, and those that it evidently didn't notice.
Will

[JimmyZ]

Just curious Chris (26th) about the engine number. Why does it say "2338"? I thought the engine# matched the VIN. Just curious.

Nice thread BTW. I'm looking for the curved/rounded choke handle. Seems that nobody sells that type. Anyone know where I can get one?

Jim

[hls30.com]

Nice thread BTW. I'm looking for the curved/rounded choke handle. Seems that nobody sells that type. Anyone know where I can get one?

Jim

Try Charley Osborne at Zedd Findings, or any/all of the other used parts sources.
Will

PS, I'm sure Chris will chime in too, but if the vin matches the engine number in a 240Z, you probably have a serious paperwork issue to correct with the P.O. )the car vin/data plates are probably not be original, and the paperwork will probably have been falsified) I have never seen a 240Z with a engine number matching the vin-though I have absolutely not checked every 240Z.
Will

[JimmyZ]

Thanks! I have an engine# that is about 6000 past my VIN. Always thought that it wasn't the original. Now it seems that it might be after all.

Thanks,

Jim

[hls30.com]

Check the data plate on pass side fender well(in the engine compartment) you should find a plate screwed on there that has both the vin and the engine #.
Will;

[JimmyZ]

I'll see if I can dig it up. (Haven't put the car back together completely yet) Memory says that it is 23654 on dash and plates. Engine says 30xxx. The previous owner said it was the original engine but he did send the engine out for a rebuild. To be 6000 digits off is a lot but seeing 26thZ's engine #2338 gives some hope.

Jim

[AZ-240z]

Jim,

I would say that there is a lot of hope for your having a numbers matching car. My car is numbers matching, about 2,000 numbers older than yours, and my engine is just shy of 6,000 numbers greater than my vin. It is one of the last series 1 cars produced with a build date of 1/71.

Dan

[Zedrally]

Happy New Year to you all!

I see the usual bantering is still in progress!!!!

I've had my head down and away from the site, however History always interests me and I awakened from that sleep to discover this thread.

A suggestion has been made to Sticky the thread.

Do you want this entire thread "stickied"? or would you like a new thread with a Welcome annoucement?


Cheers
An awakened Zedrally.....

[hls30.com]

And another thing...

Map light frame-original all but flat-no hood. Later variation hooded.
I will play with the camera and try to get a more illustrative photo.

Will

[hls30.com]

Some of the part numbers and my suppositions so far-don't take any of this as gospel-these parts were collected from salvage yards and they could have been moved from other cars to where I found them. The partnumbers/my ideas are not necessarily fact-they are based on the june 1974 USA & Canada Parts catalog. Jump in if you have history, doubts, or interest.
Will

[26th-Z]

Ok! I'll get back to the topic after a comment about 26th and matching numbers. 26th was supposedly built in 11/69 and she was delivered on 4/70 with engine number 2338. I have all the papers. 27th has no papers but was supposedly built in 10/69 and her engine number is 2162. Splane that one, Datsunites! I say "supposedly" because that is the date on the door jamb tag. The engine bay tag lists the chassis serial number as well as the engine number and "matching numbers" means that the number stamped on the block and the number stamped on the firewall match the tag in the engine bay. Engine numbers don't match chassis numbers.

Will,
I am always hard pressed to put application dates on these parts. About the best I can seem to do is associate early and late. But your idea could be a thesis project! I can think of all sorts of parts. There is a third type of seat belt hook; a metal one covered in black plastic. How about the rubber hood adjustment bumbers? Early chrome Z quarter panel emblems - hollow and solid cast. I think you can still buy coat hook buttons from http://www.z-tekmfg.com/cat1.html Great project! Do I understand this correctly; these parts all have the same part #?

[hls30.com]

Chris,
I went through the June '74 issue USA & Canada S30 Parts catalog and looked for part numbers for the items in question. What I found, I listed and tried to identify relative to the vatiations of the part I pictured or knew about. I can be wrong-but I had to start somewhere. Some parts have changes with no change to the part number-probably the supplier changed the part and Nissan didn't notice, or Nissan required a change and simply didn't bother changing the part number(the Heater Control Panel vent/Seat belt hooks) The parts I am most interested in have variation with no additional part numbers, but I just want to show the changes in parts '69-73.
There are a ton of parts that fall into this-Once again, I had to start somewhere, so as I get time, I grab one of my boxes of parts and sort through it for pieces that obviously work in this thread(it also helps me get all of my versions of a part in one place-though I do store NOS parts differently than restorable/restored parts)
At some point I want to create a relational database to store actual pictures of the parts with their factory identifiers and our common names for them and other pertinant details-hence another use of the final results of this thread!
I think it may be easier to establish a first use of the parts time frame as I believe if Nissan forgot about a box of parts and found them later after that part had changed, they put the old part right in the line since it had been paid for-meaning on occassion parts were not used in first in first out order.

Will

[HS30-H]

........As a result, there are HLS30 European and HLS30 United States (and it is from that U you used that I'm deriving that bit of information). But I'm deriving information that may have been garbled in my attempt at understanding it.

Enrique,
Be careful about that 'U' suffix and what it denotes, as it can be misleading. Most importantly, note that it does not stand for 'USA'.......

The plain ( no suffix ) 'HLS30' was the "European" market version of the '240Z' according to Nissan factory documentation - although it has to be said that the term "European" covered quite a lot of different territories and I know for sure that some of these differed slightly in spec as sold by the dealers.......

Also note that the 'HS30-U' was an RHD Export '240Z' according to the same Nissan factory documentation.

Nissan's factory workshop manual for the UK market '260Z' model shows that the letter U suffix obviously changed meaning at some point when applied to the different models. The manual says that the letter 'U' now meant "RHD". Confusing, isn't it?

A suggestion has been made to Sticky the thread.

Do you want this entire thread "stickied"? or would you like a new thread with a Welcome annoucement?

Zedrally,
I think it was me that made the suggestion of a 'sticky' - but I was referring to the VIN suffixes and prefixes ( model variation ) subject rather than Will's original thread subject. I'd be happy to have a go at compiling the list of model variants that Enrique requested, but I'd prefer to stick to the RHD versions. Somebody else would have to take responsibility for the LHD versions in case I don't have all the necessary data on them. Any LHD volunteers out there?

Will,
Great thread subject! ( sorry to have diverted it somewhat ) and I think it certainly could do with being made more permanent, and probably should have its own web page.........

Sounds like it has the potential to be your great Unfinished ( unfinishable! ) Symphony....... :-)

Alan T.

[hls30.com]

Will,
Great thread subject! ( sorry to have diverted it somewhat ) and I think it certainly could do with being made more permanent, and probably should have its own web page.........

Sounds like it has the potential to be your great Unfinished ( unfinishable! ) Symphony....... :-)

Alan T.

Alan,
As you and a few others may have guessed, I started this thread and its subsequent (though not alterior) purpose with a few PMs last August...now if only I wasn't tone deaf...
Will

[hls30.com]

Todays contributions!
Carl had a better pic of more lighters in a different thread, but here is what I have that I have found so far.
Will

[Zedrally]

Enrique,
snip

Zedrally,
I think it was me that made the suggestion of a 'sticky' - but I was referring to the VIN suffixes and prefixes ( model variation ) subject rather than Will's original thread subject. I'd be happy to have a go at compiling the list of model variants that Enrique requested, but I'd prefer to stick to the RHD versions. Somebody else would have to take responsibility for the LHD versions in case I don't have all the necessary data on them. Any LHD volunteers out there?

Will,
Great thread subject! ( sorry to have diverted it somewhat ) and I think it certainly could do with being made more permanent, and probably should have its own web page.........

Sounds like it has the potential to be your great Unfinished ( unfinishable! ) Symphony....... :-)

Alan T.

Alan, if you create the RHD list, I can stickie it in the History Forum.
That should create enough interest in someone moving on the LHD side.

Cheers
Mike

[Carl Beck]

Hi Will:
Sorry to join the thread so late... holidays and all ... and thanks for the help. Actually we have a group of peope working on the Judging Manual. Needless to say this is a multi-year project.

Related to Part Numbers

At Your Post #1 & #22
Map lamp assembly
26430-E4100 (Series I cars)
26430-E8200 (Series II cars)


Your Post #23
Center air outlet grille
68834-E8200 (Series I cars)
68834-E4100 (Series II cars)

Your Post #28
Comp-switch Hazard Warning 25910- E4600 (Series I - no words on knob)
Comp-switch Hazard Warning 25910- E8300 (Series II - flash on knob) -- this is when they added the additional tail lights to the circuit and made wiring changes to the Light Switch and fuse box

Comp-switch Hazard Warning 25910- E8800 up to 06/72
Comp-switch Hazard Warning 25910- N3300 07/72 up to 07/73 (green pull knob?)

Knob -Switch Hazard Warning 29215-N3300 7/72 - 7/73 (I think this is the Green pull knob of the 73 Model year???) Earlier knob/levers... came only on the complete switch assembly.


The tail lights themselves were also changed with the Series II cars.
Rear turn signal unit - this was said to increase the life of the hazard switch.
26550-E4600 (3 light Series I) 1 Tail light and 1 Brake Light + reverse light
26555-E4600

26550-E4601 (4 light Series II) 2 Tail lights and 1 Brake Light + reverse light
26555-E4601

25410-E4600 Fuse Block (Series I) up to 12/70
25410-E8300 Fuse Block (Series II) from 01/71
25410-E8800 Fuse Block (72 &73 up to 07/73)


FWIW,
Carl B.

[hls30.com]

Carl,
Thanks for the PNs, I have been trying to find things to picture, and I thought sitting at the parts catalog would be, the easier part(multiple pieces on the same page) The fact that you found some that I didn't (68834-E8200 is the only grill listed on my '74 USA/Canda parts book.). Means I am going to have to dig into te club CD, and FAST to get good info.
I hope at least a few things in this thread will be helpful, but if I am off base, or can change what I am doing to help, please let me know-no need to do all of this work and not put in a form that could help other inprocess projects covering essentially the same material.

AS I look for things to picture, I am also "culling the heard" at the same time; pulling out the used parts that I have exact NOS replacements for, and trying to get all of the used like parts together in the same box.
I have well over a hundred NOS parts, and and I want to find out what pieces I have that are actually for a '72-one day I will do a low vin car, and I want to save the older NOS parts for it.
Will

[moonpup]

OPB: Carl Beck

Your Post #23
Center air outlet grille
68834-E8200 (Series I cars)
68834-E4100 (Series II cars)

Hi Carl, I was just wondering if maybe you got these two part #'s accidently switched? Weren't the E4100's usually the earlier numbers?

[geezer]

Will - Do you have a side by side comparison picture of the two different D hubcaps? If not, I have both sets. Rummaged through a lot of stuff tonight, found some forgotten treasure. When I bought my 240Z, the previous owner loaded up my truck and trailer with a lot of spare parts, some NOS, some for a fairladyZ he parted out long ago (even a NOS fairlady grill that hasn't been out of the box). I have not gotten around to looking it all over good yet.

[JimmyZ]

This thread is taking me back to past trips in junkyards!

I miss my 2/71 Z key. It had a "N" with holes. Anyone have any original key pictures??

Can you still get the "N" key??

[hls30.com]

Will - Do you have a side by side comparison picture of the two different D hubcaps? If not, I have both sets. Rummaged through a lot of stuff tonight, found some forgotten treasure. When I bought my 240Z, the previous owner loaded up my truck and trailer with a lot of spare parts, some NOS, some for a fairladyZ he parted out long ago (even a NOS fairlady grill that hasn't been out of the box). I have not gotten around to looking it all over good yet.

Ron,
One thing I do not have is any D hubcaps! TALK ABOUT SALT IN THE WOUND-JK!
If some of your parts need a new home(or just a Vacation and a mud pack spa (molds made) visit in sunny south Georgia, I have a perfect spot in the company of some of the parts I have pictured, a complete Series one nos console, and complete dash(all NOS)
Will

[geezer]

Will - The Fairlady grill is absolutely pristine. I removed it carefully from the box to photograph. Been in the box several decades. It would make for a great file photo to compare with the other next to impossible to find R version. I really have no other use for it. I did post a pic in my gallery but will do it again with a white background. The color is interesting in contrast to the D caps. I will photograph the caps as well but they are not pristine. Hope to go through some more parts soon. I never gave any of these parts any thought because I already have virtualy everthing needed for this project. How about head photos? I have E31's E30's... Now...that dash & console you mentioned, let me know if they get in your way. Ive got room .

[hls30.com]

Ron ,
yes, we want to illustrate all parts variations in the first '69-'73 S30s, on that note here are few more:

Variation in steering column covers (I took the top covers off the make the shape at the steering wheel more easily seen).
L to R
48470E4600 Earliest
48472N3300 -8/72
48470N3600 -76

bottom Early 2 seater sill plate
middle later sill plate(260Z)
top 2+2 sill Plate

[dannys240z]

Let me take a crack at explaining the strange engine #'s, chassis #, and year the car was produced.
For those of you that don't know, when Datsun z cars came off the assembly line they went threw a post production inspection. Some of the cars passed, with no problems, and were assinged a month and year build date. When other cars, that failed the above named inspection, they were recycled and put back on the assembly line for further fit and finish. If the engines, transmissions, or other components needed to be changed, later parts #'s were used.
That is why, when you look at 240z's side by side it can get confusing, i know because i own #1651, build date, 1/70. After checking all the supporting documents, with the selling dealer, the P. O., we all came to the same conclusion, my car went through the line, twice.
I'm very confident my information is correct, as i was a line mechanic for Datsun from 1973-1975, and we got tech. bulletins all the time, on this type of information.
We also got factory training, in Chicago, 4 times a year, where these topics came up all the time.
I hope this helps, Dannys 240 z

[AZ-240z]

Some of the part numbers and my suppositions so far-don't take any of this as gospel-these parts were collected from salvage yards and they could have been moved from other cars to where I found them. The partnumbers/my ideas are not necessarily fact-they are based on the june 1974 USA & Canada Parts catalog. Jump in if you have history, doubts, or interest.
Will

Will,
The picture attachment you show of the heater control slide knobs in your post #23 have me wondering. Is it possible that the part numbers shown are for the opposite knobs? I have always thought that the more rounded knobs were the earlier parts numbers., ie, 68847-E4600. My memory isn't that good but I am pretty sure that those more rounded (no hard corners) knobs were on my series 1 when new.

Any opinions from anyone? Thanks.

If I knew how, I would add the picture from your thread, Will.

Dan

[hls30.com]

Dan,
It could be, Those parts were pulled from cars that had been sacrificed to the rust god decades ago... I think Chris (26thZ) could answer that from either/both of his cars.
Will

[Mike B]

I think Will's labeling is right. I have always had 1972 or earlier 240Z's (5/72 and earlier) and I have never seen the more rounded ones that he identified as being from 7/72 and later. I just checked #32 and #210 and both have the more square shaped ones. I am attaching Will's picture for reference.

-Mike

[hls30.com]

Mike,
Thanks for jumping in!
Ps, I am waiting on casting supplies-and so are two sets of NOS Choke/Throttle knobs!
Will

[AZ-240z]

Thanks Will. I am still not totally convinced, but maybe Chris will see this for further varification.
Are you still thinking of reproducing those little black plastic rounded washers that are one of the external mounting items for early antennas? Not the black rubber dome thing next to the quarter panel, but the thick black plastic washer under the chrome mounting nut.

And, Mike, you and Will are in all probability correct but I just can't get that image of the more rounded knob out of my mind. Thanks for your help and clarification.

Dan

[hls30.com]

Both are on the list...and probably need to be here too!
WIll

[26th-Z]

I have the square knobs.

Will and I have been talking about making molds and casting parts. I have been using "Smooth-On" products to make silicone rubber molds and casting new rigid parts in urethane. Epoxy resins are now available and they can be used with metal powder fillers. This work is rather involved and it takes some practice to get good at it. I think Will has a vacuum box which gets the bubbles out of the mold liquid - something I would need. Sure, a gasket for the antenna base could be made.

[onuthin]

Mike,
Thanks for jumping in!
Ps, I am waiting on casting supplies-and so are two sets of NOS Choke/Throttle knobs!
Will

Will are these the round choke and throttle knobs?

[26th-Z]

This is what Will is working with.

[Marty Rogan]

I have the square knobs.

Will and I have been talking about making molds and casting parts. I have been using "Smooth-On" products to make silicone rubber molds and casting new rigid parts in urethane. Epoxy resins are now available and they can be used with metal powder fillers. This work is rather involved and it takes some practice to get good at it. I think Will has a vacuum box which gets the bubbles out of the mold liquid - something I would need. Sure, a gasket for the antenna base could be made.

So, does the casting process ruin your pretty NOS parts? that would be a shame.

Marty

[hls30.com]

So, does the casting process ruin your pretty NOS parts? that would be a shame.

Marty

Marty,
They will be absolutely and completely useless from the time I embed them into a proper clay until the time I pull them from the finished mold-then they will be ready to go back in their protective hiding places, or right onto a glof medallion contender immediately before a show-no worse for the mud pack or the multi-sided soak in vacuum inspired effervescent silicone!
The molding process is no more detrimental to the original part than handing it to another enthusiast who recognizes its rarity, and respects your search for it.


Will

[26th-Z]

Too funny, Will! Take pictures as you go!

Marty,
This is just like the old plaster casting we used to make as kids. The mold material is a silicon rubber that is mixed (carefully) from two parts and poured around the original piece. Cured, the mold will peel right off the original.

[Marty Rogan]

Glad to hear no parts will be harmed. Thanks for taking on this project.

Marty

[Kerrigan]

This is what Will is working with.

Did this every happen, the reproduction knob set? I realize this is a very old posting :-)

[nix240z]

I have both types, the round early type and the later square type.
check my webstore.

steve

[Kerrigan]

I have both types, the round early type and the later square type.
check my webstore.

steve

Ordered early round style; thanks Steve.