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    Default What about the Z432-R ?

    I was surfing on jdm-car-parts.com (a very interesting site by the way) and there is a blog about the extremely rare Z432-R. Here is a bit of the blog quoted:

    "I believe that Z432R cars are the rarest and the most valuable Z cars in the world. It is well known fact that these cars, as well as all Z432 cars, came with S20 engines, but I would like to focus more on other details here. Originally it came with lighter body parts (thinner fenders, doors, and fiber glass hood, plastic side glasses hatch glass, and so on. It was as ordered car only for people in racing business. Front and rear bumper never came standard, and there was no glove box, no clock, no heater panel nor heater, no center console, no steering column cover, no ignition switch at the colum(at center tunnel), no arm rests (just a very loose pull handles ) on the doors. There was also no spare tire bucket in the back (flat floor). They came with special racing bucket seats, and some came with special steering wheel known as “Mach” steering wheel. They came in different designs and made bu few different companies. Approximately 20 some cars were sold to public, but exact numbers are unknown. Each Z432 came in different spec. as far as carbs, transmissions, rear end, and so forth."


    Anyone ever seen one of these race version early Z-Car? Must be incredibly rare and valuable today! Any in the US?

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    Alan T., or "HS30-H" would be our resident expert on the PS30-SB type. Do a file search "Z432-R" and a number of threads will come up regarding the car. I also suggest you cruise through Alan's photo album for pictures of specific details and parts. I have many photographs but I have never seen one. I would be surprised to learn of one in America.
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    In 2005 I rode to the Japanese National Convention in a beautiful 432R, I will find some of the pictures, just an incredible car. Here it is right on the site:


    No, there are none in the US, I don't think there are any 432's here either.
    There was a gentleman that was restoring them as a business but I am not sure he is still doing that.
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    Fred,

    I wish I could have been on that trip with you.

    As a side note not a 432-R but a PS30 is now in the states. Tom over on Japanese Nostalgic Car Forum imported one to go with his KPGC10 and KPGC110.





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    Default Nice Z432 in the U.S.

    Hi S30TRBO,

    He is a very nice guy and I was surprised that 3 S20 engined cars were shipped to his garage at same time,what a wealthy man he is.

    I was thinking selling my Zs to someone, I found him he would have be the man.
    I offered him selling my Z432 and 240Z( and 1989 Silvia) but current exchange rate is bad for him, and I hesitated to selling my cars,so the deal was not made.

    His Z432 is PS30-00037, a real 1969 Z432

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    Wow - does anyone have a sound clip of these cars ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kats View Post
    Hi S30TRBO,


    I was thinking selling my Zs to someone, I found him he would have be the man.
    I offered him selling my Z432 and 240Z( and 1989 Silvia) but current exchange rate is bad for him, and I hesitated to selling my cars,so the deal was not made.

    His Z432 is PS30-00037, a real 1969 Z432

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    Kats,

    Flying must really be keeping you busy. I would never have imagined that you would ever sell your Zs. Your cars approach perfection and has been a large part of my motivation as I continue to restore my car.

    Are you thinking of doing other cars?

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    Hello Dan,

    As you know airlines in Japan are facing really hard time right now,I want to keep my cars but I do not know how long I can play with my cars

    If I am sold my 3 cars, what do I do next? There is a good 1969 240Z with good low price for sale in Japan,I would buy the car ? I do not know.

    Anyway please see my 1989 Silvia,this car is super clean,I did not touch anything to replace except oil/water/battery/tires.Turbo car,with a head up speed display.
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    Kats, who do you fly for?

    I fly for international cargo airline. I was just at Kansai last week, on the way to Anchorage.

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    Hi DC871F,

    I fly ANA(All Nippon Airways) , are you fly FEDEX?

    Some Z-432R pictures, a simple support for the rear gate(Plexiglas rear hatch window is very light) , no master vac, engine under food, 100 littler gas tank,
    typical interior with special ignition system, no- arm rest on the door panel, e.t.c.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S30TRBO View Post
    As a side note not a 432-R but a PS30 is now in the states. Tom over on Japanese Nostalgic Car Forum imported one to go with his KPGC10 and KPGC110.
    GREAT to see a real PS30 outside Japan finally. Tom has great taste, and that looks like a really nice example. Early car too! Mmmmmmm, lovely!



    PS30-SB 'Fairlady Z432-R' subject is quite tricky. Final spec on some details ( glovebox, heater etc etc ) was often chosen or altered by the first owner. No two cars it seems were exactly the same. Most important point for me is the difference in gauge of sheetmetal used in production ( roof, rear quarters, door skins, scuttle panel, front wings / fenders etc etc ) which essentially make it completely different from the 'ordinary' PS30 Z432. These cars are world-class when it comes to rarity / 'homologation special' type rank of importance in the manner of Porsche 911T/R for example.

    Kats,
    Isn't that Tezuka san's PZR? I believe his Ikeda Bussan seats ( correct for Z432-R ) were recovered at some point in the past. The fabric and vinyl combination in the picture is not OEM. Originals should be 'hopsack' weave wool / acryl blend on the face ( office chair material! ) with black vinyl on the reverse side and headrest.

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    ( ps - Chris, thanks for the 'endorsement' - but I still consider myself a 'student' of the PZR. You learn something new every day ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by kats View Post
    Hi DC871F,

    I fly ANA(All Nippon Airways) , are you fly FEDEX?

    Some Z-432R pictures, a simple support for the rear gate(Plexiglas rear hatch window is very light) , no master vac, engine under food, 100 littler gas tank,
    typical interior with special ignition system, no- arm rest on the door panel, e.t.c.

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    GREAT pics Kats, Thank you!

    How many Z432-Rs were built?

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    Where does Tom reside anyway? Eastcoast, West coast.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by kats View Post
    Hi DC871F,

    I fly ANA(All Nippon Airways) , are you fly FEDEX?

    Some Z-432R pictures, a simple support for the rear gate(Plexiglas rear hatch window is very light) , no master vac, engine under food, 100 littler gas tank,
    typical interior with special ignition system, no- arm rest on the door panel, e.t.c.

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    We stop in Japan out of Hong Kong for gas on the way to Anchorage.

    Where are you domiciled?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kats View Post
    Hi S30TRBO,

    He is a very nice guy and I was surprised that 3 S20 engined cars were shipped to his garage at same time,what a wealthy man he is.

    I was thinking selling my Zs to someone, I found him he would have be the man.
    I offered him selling my Z432 and 240Z( and 1989 Silvia) but current exchange rate is bad for him, and I hesitated to selling my cars,so the deal was not made.

    His Z432 is PS30-00037, a real 1969 Z432

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    Kats,
    I'm glad you didn't sell you Z's. I have been following your builds for years and it would have been a waste to see them go after all that. From what I have read on the other forum he seems like a nice guy and I wish I had 1/3 of his payroll to afford just one, three is a little greedy!

    I could only imagine however, there are some guys on Ebay that are trying to get $20K-$40K for C10, GC10, GC110. For a comparison, I paid $6K for my S46 4-door GC10 in Okinawa back in 1997. I guess today's dollar for what these "registered importers" are asking is fair?

    If I could ask what is the going rate for a nice PS30, KPGC10 and KPGC110 compared to a S30, GC10 and GC110? Do you add $20K-$30K to add the P or KP code to the VIN?



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    Where does Tom reside anyway? Eastcoast, West coast.........
    From his other pics they are plated in Utah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zcar70 View Post
    How many Z432-Rs were built?

    Depends who you trust, but the latest ( and therefore possibly the more accurate ) figure is 32.

    There's also the question of whether you count some of the Works race cars - some of which may or may not have had accurate chassis numbers ( due to duplication, etc ).

    Nissan needed to make 25 432Rs in order to homologate the 432R for the JAF Special GT class, so I think it's fair to say that at least 25 were made.


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    Thanks all for your kind comments on my Z432. I'm hoping to do all of the little things to get it ready to display, but I'm pretty new to the Z world, so it's tough going. It is a 69, and there are a bunch of non "early car" parts on it which don't really offend or affect driving ability, but I might as well look around to see if I can find the correct parts. I suspect I'll be tinkering with it for a while.

    One thing which I am keeping original is the forward placed diff, which I can report provides a "factory original" high speed vibration, ha!

    On to the subject matter at hand - of the records I've seen from private individuals, there are perhaps less than 100 Z432s with known whereabouts, and if memory serves, only 11 432-Rs known as surviving. That's not to say that there aren't more out there, lurking in the shadows waiting to be discovered - we can only hope!

    As far as Z432-R pricing, I doubt a real one will ever hit the open market, so we'll probably never have the answer as to value. If it did, I would imagine you could expect to have to pay 30,000,000 yen depending on condition and pedigree, perhaps much more. As I learn more about the Z432-R (largely due to Alan's contributions), I see that these cars are quite unique. I could not see someone passing an s30 off as a Z432-R without having spent an enormous sum of money on making the necessary changes to the body. I admire Alan's efforts to put one together, and hopefully he'll bring it to Goodwood soon!

    Alan/kats, I'd love to see your current list of unique attributes of the Z432-R. There are obvious ones like fuel tank, seats, and metal gauge thickness. How about sharing some lesser known differences? I believe you've mentioned that there are over 1000 (I think), so it may be too much to tackle all at once!
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    [QUOTE=xs10shl;314465]Thanks all for your kind comments on my Z432. I'm hoping to do all of the little things to get it ready to display, but I'm pretty new to the Z world, so it's tough going. It is a 69, and there are a bunch of non "early car" parts on it which don't really offend or affect driving ability, but I might as well look around to see if I can find the correct parts. I suspect I'll be tinkering with it for a while.

    One thing which I am keeping original is the forward placed diff, which I can report provides a "factory original" high speed vibration, ha!

    On to the subject matter at hand - of the records I've seen from private individuals, there are perhaps less than 100 Z432s with known whereabouts, and if memory serves, only 11 432-Rs known as surviving. That's not to say that there aren't more out there, lurking in the shadows waiting to be discovered - we can only hope!

    Here I have few pictures of Z432-R. Each vehicle came with different equipment such as "Mach" wheel (Few different styles, but very expensive-$2000-4000USD ), front and rear bumper were even optional. No center console, no heater panel, no glovebox, no Air vents, no clock, door panels came with "straps" instead of armrests. Carbs came in verious types. different wheels size, diffeent suspension, no spare wheel compartment (flat trunk space with spare wheel holder at the top, etc.......

    I can supply many Z432 or Z432R, NOS/reproduction parts, but some of them very hard.............
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    Default restored 432-R

    http://www.7tune.com/feature-the-fairlady-zed-432r/



    As a continuation of this thread i've found pictures of a fully restored r432-r, OR a good replica, in Thailand of all places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hr369 View Post
    http://www.7tune.com/feature-the-fairlady-zed-432r/


    As a continuation of this thread i've found pictures of a fully restored r432-r, OR a good replica, in Thailand of all places.

    Did you read the comments on the 7tune article?

    I don't belive that car is a genuine factory built PS30-SB Fairlady Z432-R.

    In any case, it hasn't been 'restored', it has been customised.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by HS30-H View Post
    Did you read the comments on the 7tune article?

    I don't belive that car is a genuine factory built PS30-SB Fairlady Z432-R.

    In any case, it hasn't been 'restored', it has been customised.......
    Or as we call them "tribute" cars.

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    Looks to be a nice car- the shell appears to be an earlier shell from 1970 from the few tell-tale signs I know about, as suggested in the article. Unfortunate if it was billed as an R, but turns out to be a tribute. Really, theres no shame in having a Z432, or a nicley redone s30 made to look like an R, so long as its honestly represented, IMHO.

    It looks to have some nice pieces , like a 100L fuel gauge. It would have been nice to see close-ups of some of the other rarities, like the oil cooler. Just asking, did the Rs come with finned differential housings?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montezuma View Post
    Or as we call them "tribute" cars.
    Quote Originally Posted by xs10shl
    Really, theres no shame in having a Z432, or a nicley redone s30 made to look like an R, so long as its honestly represented, IMHO.
    I have absolutely no problem with replicas, lookalikes, 'tribute' cars - whatever we want to call them ( I'm building a 432-R replica / lookalike myself.... ) - as long as they are correctly represented. The problems come about when people start thinking they are the real thing, and using them as datum points to judge others - sometimes, ironically enough, including the real thing - and getting it all wrong.

    Having said that, I don't know if there's some element of Lost in Translation involved in the story of the car in Thailand. The owner might not be calling it The Real Thing at all for all I know. It might be that the 7Tune guy got the wrong end of the stick. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt on that.

    The bigger problem is that getting it all wrong is a trait seen all too often on the like of 7Tune, Speedhunters and the others. These blogs have incredible power and are very influential. The stuff they publish spreads around the 'net like wildfire, and when it's wrong - as it so often is on obscure topics like the 432-R - it sticks. Even when you point out the mistakes, and if they allow them to stay in the comments section, people don't pay any attention or simply re-blog bowdlerised versions of the original. This is how the world will end, I reckon. Sisyphus had it easy, I tell you.....


    Quote Originally Posted by xs10shl
    Just asking, did the Rs come with finned differential housings?
    No, just the plain vanilla R192 ( R190 ) flat alloy cover, same as the 432.

    Easier to replicate... !

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    Have you a probable completion date for yours Alan? I guess it'll more original than some of the original cars.

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    Alan, thanks. Agree on all points- tonight a group of 4 of us prepping our cars for Monterey took time off for dinner to get together and discuss cars. We concluded how easy it would be to start buying up a particular marque or model, pay a publicist to generate hype around it, and sell when the market goes up. Stuff in print somehow becomes fact- its probably a byproduct from the days when we all got our information from reputable sources like encyclopedias. Nowadays everyone with a keyboard can become an expert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S30TRBO View Post
    Fred,

    I wish I could have been on that trip with you.

    As a side note not a 432-R but a PS30 is now in the states. Tom over on Japanese Nostalgic Car Forum imported one to go with his KPGC10 and KPGC110.





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    Time to query Alan about finishing his own soon-to-be-marvelous Z42-R tribute. I saw pictures posted on another website a few days ago - car looks fantastic- a top job from what I could tell.

    Care to post some more pictures here Alan? I think there's a statute of limitations on how long you're allowed to ignore a restoration before finishing it, !

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    There is scarcely anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse, and sell a little more cheaply.
    The person who buys on price alone is this man's lawful prey.


    John Ruskin (1819 - 1900)



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    I have been lucky enough to see it a few weeks, ago, out of the top draw....worth the wait. Alan has done a fantastic job. And the work involved, not just dropping a S20 and there you go.... No pics I am afraid, toooo busy taking it all in.
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    Hi,
    Please see this ,
    http://www.tarumi.or.jp/page053.html

    3 Z432Rs are in one garage , who is the owner?

    Kats
    Katsuhiko Endo
    1970 DATSUN 240Z
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    L24-005562

    1970 FAIRLADY Z432
    PS30-00088 (01/70)
    S20-000884

    1972 DATSUN 240Z
    HLS30-60213 (12/71)
    L24-072419

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    Welcome to my web site,
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