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    Hey,
    Been almost a year since my last Z, was a 260, awesome, but couldnt keep all three cars at the time. That was my 4th Z,

    Anyway I finally found my dream Z, Bought it just a couple of days ago, and love it all over. Cant beat the 70's green. But was so excited I probably didnt realize what a gem I'd found til after I drove it back, and got my thoughts together.

    Here are the stats:

    7/73

    Almost 44K orig miles. (odo hasnt been around again) You can tell by the condition, and feel of the car.

    Matching eng numbers, original flat top carbs, etc.

    Orig tan interior, original carpets, not torn at all, just dry and crunchy!

    4spd orig box with the original clutch apparently.

    Rubber seals are all in good, shape too. No 'cliff hangers'

    Original paint. No cracks, touch ups, or resprays at all, or fender benders. Coulple of dings on the drivers door but you cant tell as they're not that bad. Front bumper has a ding also. but again nothing major.

    1 dash crack

    Everything works,

    Minor surface rust in the battery tray underneath. Straight undercarrige with a bit of flaking, but no holes or rot.

    Does have a different exhaust, makes it sound much better. But thats the only mod I can find.

    Also has the orig radio.

    So am really happy with my find. Havent been on the site for awhile, but thought I would see about what the consensus was:

    Carb conversion: I have webbers, and round tops, that came with the car. As I mentioned it has the dreaded flat tops which are running way too rich at the moment and flood the engine out at iddle. Iíve done the round top conversion before on my 260 but wanted to see about giving the webbers a shot. My old man is all for them, but I am thinking they use alot of gas and are better serving on the track, rather than just running around town, etc, which the car will be used for. Otherwise will just slap on the round tops, which is what I was planning.

    Value: What do we think the car is actually worth?

    Thanks in advance
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    more pictures?

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    Sweet car! Mine is also a 7/73, wonder how far apart our vin#'s are. Maybe post some interior pics

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    I love this game...guess the value of the car...one of my favorite.

    Given the 2 pictures and provided information I will say $4K (plus or minus $2K). Need engine pics and interior pics to offer a better estimate and reduce the tolerance. Hard to tell if the paint has been oxidized, what do frame rails and floor pan look like, how bad is rust under battery. How original is the engine. Original spare? My '73 still has the original exhaust system and it has 147K miles.

    Throw on the webbers or round tops and you reduce the value of the car. Reduce by $1K for the webbers, Reduce by $500 for the round tops. Only because the car seems very original. The more you change, the less it would interest me. ( Just my opinion-I am sure there are others that feel different)

    If you can salvage the paint, maybe add $1K to $2K for that. How's the chrome?

    '73 probably not the most desirable year: 70, 71, 72 would be better.


    All in all, VERY NICE CAR. I love the color. Congrats on the find.

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    Thanks motorman,
    Yeah the color is the best part! love it.
    Heres some pics,
    See what yas think.
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    thats worth some good money for sure.

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    around these parts i'd say 8 to 10 grand. interior looks clean, original paint and no rust. engine bay looks clean. slap a set of roundtops on and it's good to go.
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    I agree.......$8,000 to $10,000.....get rid of the friggin flat-tops. Throw 'em in a box and have some spirited fun with some of Bruce's round-tops!!!!
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    Overall, it looks like a pretty nice car. In this market, my guess on value is $6-8K, probably closer to $6k in its current condition and location (So Cal). I'm basing that on:
    -It's the less desirable 1973 model year
    -If the paint it original, it looks flat and sun damaged. If it can be buffed out ok, that will increase the price.
    -The dash is cracked. I don't think it matters much if it is one crack or 10.
    -The carpets are "dry and crunchy", to me, that means they need to be replaced and the rest of the interior is probably sun damaged also.

    You should post pictures of the surface rust in the battery tray and of the floors and undercarriage to get a better guess at the value.

    -Mike

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    That car detailed inside out, and with a paper trail to verify mileage would sell for 10k + in the N.J. / N.Y. area.
    Ztherapy's polished roundtops ( I have them) are gorgeous carbs. Putting a couple of hundred into original hoses,caps etc and detailing.Would make this car really stand out. Very nice ,keep it original as much as possible. That is the best color combo imo.
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    I like ya style rick,
    Will clean up the SU's and begin the upgrade.
    Thanks for all the inputs

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    Quote Originally Posted by grnsky View Post
    I like ya style rick,
    Will clean up the SU's and begin the upgrade.
    Thanks for all the inputs
    I cant comment on worth but you could definitely get more on the east coast as mentioned. Nice find! I love that interior! Mines just like it but I have a after market steering wheel with the same saddle leather brown on it.

    I love this game...guess the value of the car...one of my favorite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grnsky View Post
    I like ya style rick,
    Will clean up the SU's and begin the upgrade.
    Thanks for all the inputs
    I cant comment on worth but you could definitely get more on the east coast as mentioned. Nice find! I love that interior! Mines just like it but I have a after market steering wheel with matching saddle leather brown on it.

    I love this game...guess the value of the car...one of my favorite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motorman7 View Post
    '73 probably not the most desirable year: 70, 71, 72 would be better.

    Rich
    I would respectfully disagree. With exception of flat tops, the 73' is a fantastic Z. I imagine that whichever model year that each of us have, we hold some bias.

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    7/73 production car here also!

    Nice find....
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    Cam, I'd be curious about your VIN as well. Mine is a 7/73 and I'm 169,721. I bought it here in So Cal.

    As far as valuation, the car will be worth $2,000-$4,000 LESS than you have into it by the time you're finished with it-unless inflation really kicks in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlorber View Post
    As far as valuation, the car will be worth $2,000-$4,000 LESS than you have into it by the time you're finished with it-unless inflation really kicks in.
    Very true statement


    I did not mean to dis the '73's, I own one. Just thought they were not as desired due to the increased weight, smog, and flat tops. Can't wait to get mine back from paint. Should be a beauty.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tlorber View Post
    Cam, I'd be curious about your VIN as well. Mine is a 7/73 and I'm 169,721. I bought it here in So Cal.

    As far as valuation, the car will be worth $2,000-$4,000 LESS than you have into it by the time you're finished with it-unless inflation really kicks in.
    Your car beat my car off the line by 318 cars!
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    I too have a 7/73, it is a Pennsylvania car which were I came from too. I think Rich is on point when it comes to the 70-73 run. I did not think that when I purchased a 73, all I cared about was that it was not a 260. Looks to me like you got yourself a $3000 ride there. Best of luck with it and enjoy the ride.

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    I'm the same way,
    I will take 70-73, doesnt matter to me, and 74. But thats where the love stops!
    I dont care much for the build dates, vins, etc. Just love the Z.
    (No offense to the purists)

    Vin for those interested: HLS30145702

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    [QUOTE=tlorber;337165]Cam, I'd be curious about your VIN as well. Mine is a 7/73 and I'm 169,721. I bought it here in So Cal.

    You have me beat by 18 cars. (HLS30169739

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    Quote Originally Posted by motorman7 View Post
    Very true statement


    I did not mean to dis the '73's, I own one. Just thought they were not as desired due to the increased weight, smog, and flat tops. Can't wait to get mine back from paint. Should be a beauty.


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    Thanks for the clarification Rich, no dis taken.

    Grnsky shouldnt need to do much to make that a 8k car..He did a better job of scouting a a clean one then I did.

    I was 5 when 240's 1st came out & my uncle had one. Ever since that age I loved 70-73 mostly because of interior (shape of dash over gauges, diamond patterned vinyl & vented buckets). I think I may have to leave work early to sit in mine now.

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    So, Mike, yours must be getting near the end of the run. Does anyone know what the HIGHEST VIN is for a 240?

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    Snipped from zhome.com:

    1970 Through 1973 PRODUCTION
    According To Nissan Released Production Numbers: Datsun 240Z's Exported From Japan 1969 though 1973. Note- it is possible that the last few months of 1973, were in fact the 1974 Model Year 260Z;s. So it is possible that the difference between total units produced of 168,584 and 240Z's produced of 164,616 could be 3968 260Z's produced in Oct. Nov. and Dec. of 1973.
    1969 = 3
    1970 = 17,005
    1971 = 40,219
    1972 = 60,025
    1973 = 51,332
    ------ Total 168,584

    According To Nissan's 280ZX Book, Production and Distribution For The Datsun 240Z Looked like this:
    USA Canada Australia Great Britain Others
    1970 16,215 1201 319 2 3
    1971 33,684 3440 894 264 89
    1972 52,628 4020 362 549 494
    1973 45,588 2537 783 1,114 430


    Sub-totals 148,115 11,198 2,358 1,929 1,016

    Total 164,616

    "Others" above include HLS30
    Germany 112
    Holland 232
    France 672

    Australia and G.B.are HS30 4,287

    USA = 90.0%
    Canada = 6.9%
    Others = 0.6%
    Australia = 1.4%
    G. B. = 1.1%

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlorber View Post
    So, Mike, yours must be getting near the end of the run. Does anyone know what the HIGHEST VIN is for a 240?

    That would be interesting to know. My VIN exceeds the total number of 240Zs made according to Johnnie's numbers. Does anyone know how this could be the case?
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    [QUOTE=Johnny'O;337230]Snipped from zhome.com:

    "Note- it is possible that the last few months of 1973, were in fact the 1974 Model Year 260Z;s. "

    My understanding is that the last month for 240 production was 8/73. Does anyone on this site have a higher number than that stated above?

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    Quote Originally Posted by grnsky View Post
    Thanks motorman,
    Yeah the color is the best part! love it.
    Heres some pics,
    See what yas think.
    Mr grnsky, that is one fine looking car. I agree that Code 113 Green
    Metallic with saddle interior was a very pretty combination. For some
    reason it never became one of the most popular.

    Your car brings back some sad memories, however. While I was in sales
    with Bob Sharp I sold one just like it to a good friend and bowling buddy,
    Guy McKnight. Not too long afterward Guy totaled the car, getting
    killed in the process. It still haunts me to this day when I think of it.

    ~Rick~
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    1970 (#06289 6/70) original owner
    1971 (#19851 1/71) sold
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    Quote Originally Posted by tlorber View Post
    So, Mike, yours must be getting near the end of the run. Does anyone know what the HIGHEST VIN is for a 240?
    The highest VIN I have ever seen on a 240Z is 172040, build date 7/73,
    owned by Dave Klein.

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    1970 (#01905 2/70) since 1/24/11
    1970 (#06289 6/70) original owner
    1971 (#19851 1/71) sold
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    [QUOTE=tlorber;337240]
    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny'O View Post
    Snipped from zhome.com:

    "Note- it is possible that the last few months of 1973, were in fact the 1974 Model Year 260Z;s. "

    My understanding is that the last month for 240 production was 8/73. Does anyone on this site have a higher number than that stated above?
    I would agree with the first comment, but not the second.
    I have never seen a build date of 8/73 on a 240Z.
    I have never seen a build date of 7/73 on a 260Z.
    However, I have seen several 8/73 260Z's. And as we know, all 260Z's
    were model year 1974, as you correctly stated.
    So I conclude that the end of July marked the transition between the two.

    All Z Best,..........................Kathy & Rick
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    1970 (#06289 6/70) original owner
    1971 (#19851 1/71) sold
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathy & Rick View Post
    The highest VIN I have ever seen on a 240Z is 172040, build date 7/73,
    If Carl's registry on zhome.com is correct, the highest VIN for a HLS30 (240z) it shows is HLS30-172753

    Quote Originally Posted by Kathy & Rick View Post
    I have never seen a build date of 8/73 on a 240Z.
    The zhome.com registry also shows that Eiji's HLS30-170408 has a build date of 8/73.

    -Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by SportBikeMike View Post
    My VIN exceeds the total number of 240Zs made according to Johnnie's numbers. Does anyone know how this could be the case?
    According to Carl Beck in post #3 in this old thread http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=20928, about 20,000 VINs were skipped when the 1973 model year was begun (from about 100,000 to about 120,000). I believe there were probably a few other VIN ranges skipped prior to the introduction of other model years, since the starting VINs for each year all started with VINs rounded to the thousands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike B View Post
    If Carl's registry on zhome.com is correct, the highest VIN for a HLS30 (240z) it shows is HLS30-172753



    The zhome.com registry also shows that Eiji's HLS30-170408 has a build date of 8/73.

    -Mike
    On the Z register my car 170933 is the highest number on the register that is still in the states. It is still a 7/73 car with a higher VIN than Eiji.

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    Rick,
    Sorry to stir up memories, Very sad. But it was the green that got me so interested as I hardly ever see the color scheme for sale. Next thing you know I am on a plane bound for SF, The condition of the car was the added bonus which put me over the line in a puddle of my own drool!

    Interesting that you say they didnt sell well, I figured they would have been all the rage back then, greens, purpules, oranges etc.

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    VIN 171039 here, build 7/73.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grnsky View Post
    Rick,
    Sorry to stir up memories, Very sad. But it was the green that got me so interested as I hardly ever see the color scheme for sale. Interesting that you say they didnt sell well, I figured they would have been all the rage back then, greens, purpules, oranges etc.
    Hi again. Maybe I was misleading; sorry about that. Of course back in the day, when buying a new Z, you didn't have "choice of color" like you do today. The waiting lists, comprised of people who put down a deposit and got on the list, had diminished by the end of the 240Z run.

    But there were few ways to special order a certain color:

    1) get on the list and HOPE that your choice is the color that comes in on the next truck whenever your name came up.

    2) if when your name comes to the top of the list, the Z is not your choice of color, pass on it, and the next one, and the next one, till finally your color comes in. Problems: a) you could wait a LONG time till your color arrived, especially on
    certain colors which seemed to be produced in smaller numbers
    to begin with. b) some hardnosed dealers had a "take it or
    leave it" attitude whereupon you would be refunded your deposit and "kindly" bounced from the list.

    3) Accept the Z that came in when your turn came up and have it spray painted your color. Problems: a) several hundred dollars additional cost. b) probable devaluation of the car. Footnote: there was an occasional buyer who just had to have a black 240Z, and didn't care what the cost. But black wasn't even a factory color until I think late 70s, around the time of the Black Pearl experiment.

    4) Go for a used Z instead of a new one. Problems: a) people weren't turning loose of their Zs except in unusual circum- stances, so the likelihood of getting your choice of color was still little to none. b) if you were so lucky as to find a used Z in your color, you probably would pay a premium price for it.

    Eventually a mechanism called the "dealer swap" came in, but that was later, about the time of the 260, more likely the 280Z. In comes Mr. grnsky and negotiates a deal for a green Z with Rick. Rick gets on the phone with Regional or with other dealers to see who has a green Z (the Internet was in the future). Rick finds an unsold green Z, and the dealer who has it says he has a buyer for a red Z but doesn't have one in stock. I do. Deal done. Rick drives the red Z to the other dealer (some dealers had a car trailer), does the transfer paperwork, and drives the green Z back. The Z might have as
    much as 200 miles on it at the time of sale; but Mr grnsky isn't
    concerned about that, because he has his green Z and didn't have to wait 90 forevers to get it.

    All Z Best,.....................Rick (and Kathy, of course)
    Last edited by Kathy & Rick; 08-29-2010 at 08:22 AM.
    1969 Z.CAR (#00013 10/69) since 8/30/76
    1969 ITSA.Z (#00171 11/69) since 8/24/73 28K mi
    1970 (#01905 2/70) since 1/24/11
    1970 (#06289 6/70) original owner
    1971 (#19851 1/71) sold
    1975 280Z (#01343 1/75) mint original
    1971 PL-510 2dr (our 160Z) since 12/31/75
    1969 1600 Rdstr (another 160-Z) since 10/3/10

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    Good form,
    Grnsky would settle for nothing less than a leaf green 240z, and would have been beating down the doors of your dealership every darn day wanting to know where it was. In fact, tell me where it is, I will get it myself!

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    Nice find! Congrats. Good thing I didn't see it on Craigslist or wherever you found it, otherwise my 4runner would be out in the cold. I picked up my 4/73 one owner car in the Bay Area as well. It came to me in Metallic Brown with Butterscotch interior, 78K original miles and the only mods were the round tops and matching air cleaner housing, and exhaust from the manifold back, but that was a while ago and I've done a bit to it since then.


    As far as value goes once cleaned up and gone through mechanically (hoses, bushings, struts, brakes, etc) it should be worth between $6-10k depending on the location and model year sensitivity of any prospective buyer. That said, I would consider this one a keeper.

    Oh yeah, welcome to the Butterscotch (saddle) club.
    Last edited by =Enigma=; 08-29-2010 at 05:00 PM.
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