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    Cool mustang vs any z

    what z car do you think would out run what mustang? Whenever i see any mustang i never fail to think that my zx would smoke it no problem. and i often see videos online that contain a z car smoking mustangs. you guys got any input on this?
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    I hope you're not talking about a 2011 Mustang GT. It would run away and hide from your ZX. It has 412 hp. My 2005 GTO is fairly modded and those new Mustangs still give me a tough time. And the Shelby GY500 will outrun me but with 540 hp, it should. Ford really outdid themselves this time.......
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    Just google the power to weight ratios of the cars of interest, and you get a pretty decent idea of their "quickness". Next question is, in a straight line, or on a road course?
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    idk. i guess either. i like to think both. i guess i am really cocky about my car. lol
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    also i don think that power to weight ratio would be an accurate way to tell what vehicle would out perform the other due to the design and quality of the engine and the design and areo dynamics of the car. not to mention the way the car is put together.
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    I'd love to get my hands on a newer Roush Mustang. the 427R. or the Stage 3 set-up.
    But honestly though, Your ZX won't stand a chance against the Supercharged Mustangs. Sorry. Though you might have fun going against their V6's. Our Power to weight is a little better and it's funny as hell when you pull away from them and the look on their face as you do it.

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    Seriously...look at even the 2011 base V6 Mustang...0-60 in 5.1 sec...That is what 305HP and a 7K redline will get you...and 30 plus MPG.
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    Any new Mustang is going to smoke your ZX (assuming it is as stock as it looks in your avatar). If it doesn't, the other guy didn't know you were racing him. This is true on a road course also. Your ZX would have been faster than my first car, a 79 Mustang with the 2.3L Pinto motor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by het976 View Post
    Seriously...look at even the 2011 base V6, Mustang...0-60 in 5.1 sec...That is what 305HP and a 7K redline will get you...and 30 plus MPG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superj243 View Post
    also i don think that power to weight ratio would be an accurate way to tell what vehicle would out perform the other due to the design and quality of the engine and the design and areo dynamics of the car. not to mention the way the car is put together.
    Power to weight ratio does pretty much determine performance. The other things you mention? The new Mustang has your car beat in all of them. Cocky is one thing but in this case I'm afraid you will have to face reality.
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    i was not just talking about my zx. i was talking about any model z.
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    There is a serious need to define the exact perimeters of your question.

    Are you talking stock Z/Mustang? Which yr or yrs? Modified or not?

    There are heavily modified Z with more than 400-500HP and upgraded suspensions that would compete with newer Mustangs I would imagine.
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    Buddy of mine had an inline 6 Chevy Nova, that he thought was "the Shiznit" until I wiped the expression off his face with my pretty damn stock Z (years ago, before the mods)

    The older V6 that came in the Mustang 2's (my first car was a 75') was nothing compared to our inline 6's. I could eat those things all day long. But the newer 305hp V6's are more than a contendor, they wup some serious butt. Even with it being a heavier car. Yet, If I had 305hp in my 70', that Mustang would have a challenge on it's hand, as mine is obviously lighter. Power to weight is a major factor in that race.

    Either way, the ZX is a good car but Heavier than the earlier Z's, so I would likely beat your ZX as well. But if they were identical weight and power, then it would be a "Drivers Race" Where Reaction time and shift points come in to play.

    So like GNOSEZ said, definition of each car is important. I understand your quarry, or question as it pertains to a thought, that I'm sure most of us have had "Can beat this guy" and "Bet I could woop that car, like right now"

    Good question but needs perameters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superj243 View Post
    also i don think that power to weight ratio would be an accurate way to tell what vehicle would out perform the other
    Quite the contrary. Power to weight ratio is EXACTLY the point. Perfect example of that is the fact that the 1970 240Z will outrun your ZX. Read the road test reports.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 26th-Z View Post
    Quite the contrary. Power to weight ratio is EXACTLY the point. Perfect example of that is the fact that the 1970 240Z will outrun your ZX. Read the road test reports.
    Yes. Case in point, drag racing calculators. Plug in weight and power and they can give you a pretty accurate 1/4 mile time.

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    I think the new 370 coupe will give new GT Mustang a run. Sorry but, no chance in an 80's ZX (still nice looking car though).

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianL1987 View Post
    I think the new 370 coupe will give new GT Mustang a run. Sorry but, no chance in an 80's ZX (still nice looking car though).
    The 5.0 is nearly a full second quicker in the 1/4 mile than the 370Z Nismo. Don't know how they'd compare on a road course though. I've not run up against a 370Z yet that could out accelerate my 2005 GTO either.
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    The new Mustang was .1 sec slower than a BMW M3 on Streets of Willow which is a very tight road course, almost like a very big autox. The new Mustang is no joke. I don't know how the 370Z would fare on that course, but I wouldn't assume that it would be as fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmortensen View Post
    Yes. Case in point, drag racing calculators. Plug in weight and power and they can give you a pretty accurate 1/4 mile time.

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    According to that, my stock 280ZX-T will do a 14.6 quarter mile. I'll take that! (most magazines have it at 15.0- 15.5). The calculator must not take into account turbo lag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superj243 View Post
    i was not just talking about my zx. i was talking about any model z.
    You weren't?
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    Whenever i see any mustang i never fail to think that my zx would smoke it no problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SportBikeMike View Post
    According to that, my stock 280ZX-T will do a 14.6 quarter mile. I'll take that! (most magazines have it at 15.0- 15.5). The calculator must not take into account turbo lag.
    Trap speed is more accurate. ET is pretty hugely affected by traction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sblake01 View Post
    The 5.0 is nearly a full second quicker in the 1/4 mile than the 370Z Nismo. Don't know how they'd compare on a road course though. I've not run up against a 370Z yet that could out accelerate my 2005 GTO either.
    Car and Driver took care of the road course comparison. For the past few years, they go to VIR for their Lightning Lap comparison. They used up the brakes in a 370Z and stuffed it. They did a post-mortem on the the brakes after that. The Mustang GT was over 3 seconds faster despite the solid rear axle.

    Of course, this is done at only one road course. YMMV.
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    sblake01 the question was "any z vs mustang" when i was talking about my zx i was sharing one of my thoughts as an example of what i thought. i see you on the forums all the time and you are always a smart a$$.
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    According to the Calculator, my 70' is a over a half second faster than a Turbo L6 in a ZX?? I'm around 170+ HP in a 2450 lb car. am I wrong on my Curb weight?

    I guess I need to drop some cash on a Dyno test and weigh the car as is. I trust the facts, in black and white. (or a colored graph )

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    Probably pretty close. You have a 70 which is lighter, but you also have R200 with LSD which adds weight. I know mine with a full carpet kit, R200 and Autopower roll bar weighed 2350 with 1/2 tank and nobody in it. I'd suspect yours is probably right around 2300. So yeah, that sounds about right.
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    at 2300, that puts me at 13.77 in the 1/4 mile. Hell, I'll take that, even better than 13.97 at 2400 or 14.07 at 2450

    I so need to do a Dyno and weigh in.
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    2300 sans you. Add your weight in there, and I'd guess you were pretty close with 2450.
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    i would love to get find an old 240z in a junkyard somewhere and drop a rb26det in it. that would be a sweet ride. a=what do have in yours dave?
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    Quote Originally Posted by superj243 View Post
    sblake01 the question was "any z vs mustang" when i was talking about my zx i was sharing one of my thoughts as an example of what i thought. i see you on the forums all the time and you are always a smart a$$.
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    sorry if i over reacted
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    dave, i wish i knew that much about my car.
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    I only know that much about it cause i have build it from the ground up. If it's not stock, or doesn't look stock, it's cause I put it on or did it myself. Which is just about everything on the car.

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    2400 w/me in it and 315hp
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    Quote Originally Posted by gnosez View Post
    2400 w/me in it and 315hp
    2450 and 400hp... eventually.
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    84-86 mustang svo was pretty quick. Turbo 2.3 liter PINTO engine 210 hp and with some mods good for 400 hp. Not bad for PINTO engine, Buick also had thier Grand Nat with the 87 model having 276 hp. I think if you drop the Grand Nat engine into a Z you would have a pretty demented car that would smoke a Roush, Saleen or otherwise Mustang.
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    It's been done several times. A guy who goes by ScottieGNZ over at Hybrid Z has put that Buick V6 in a Z and an RX7 and who knows what else. I think his was right at that 10 sec quarter mile time when he sold it. There were a couple others too, haven't seen them posting much over there lately.
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    Since you own an 80 ZX why not be realistic. Go toe to toe with an older Mustang.

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    I have to agree when you say mustang I think of the Vanilla Ice 5.0 convertable which I've had mixed results with. With the '82 280zx I used to have I won some, I lost some and that was with a stage three cam, Edlebrock four barrel, header, Tokico's front and rear and some other bits of fun here and there. So it all depends on the mustang.
    I respect the Z for the car it is but Love it for the car it can BE!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by superj243 View Post
    i was not just talking about my zx. i was talking about any model z.
    That's like comparing apples to squirt guns.... there are no parameters.... yes a Mustang will beat a Z and a Z will beat a Mustang.... which one were you thinking of...???

    The Mustang 5.0 will do 0-60 in 4.3 whereas the stock 370Z will do it in 4.7 but who cares? I'd rather go around the corners or parked in the garage with a 370Z than have a Mustang. They are a dime a dozen and the looks haven't been updated for 15+ years, interior looks like a 60's car and don't they still have a live rear axel? Sure its a cheap fun car but I'd like a little more refinement in a new vehicle....

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    Quote Originally Posted by FricFrac View Post
    That's like comparing apples to squirt guns.... there are no parameters.... yes a Mustang will beat a Z and a Z will beat a Mustang.... which one were you thinking of...???

    The Mustang 5.0 will do 0-60 in 4.3 whereas the stock 370Z will do it in 4.7 but who cares? I'd rather go around the corners or parked in the garage with a 370Z than have a Mustang. They are a dime a dozen and the looks haven't been updated for 15+ years, interior looks like a 60's car and don't they still have a live rear axel? Sure its a cheap fun car but I'd like a little more refinement in a new vehicle....
    You betta check yourself before you wreck yourself. The new Mustang will eat the new Z alive on a road course. It was .1 second slower than the M3 at Streets of Willow. If you know the track it is basically like a big autocross, not the kind of track where huge amounts of hp can overcome crappy suspension. I think the new Z would likely be several seconds slower on this twisty, short course.

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    I think i understand where the original author is coming from. I am also a little cocky when it comes to driving my z on the street. When i see someone driving a mustang i see someone who bought that car for a specific reason, weather its because they are an old man who loves classic american muscle, a cocky teenager who wants to look cool, or a 17 year old girl with rich parents. When i see that cocky teenager who thinks that his mustang is the hottest thing on the streets i would very much like to put him in his place.

    I almost bought one of those bumper stickers with the little guy peeing on a mustang decal lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmortensen View Post
    2450 and 400hp... eventually.
    I'm guessing 2500 with me and 212 HP. The calculator says it' should be a little over 13 seconds and almost 103 MPH. Seems optimistic to me...

    I do remember years ago watching a late 70's Chevy SS driven by a teenager take on a good driver in a Lotus. The Lotus took off and left the SS in the dust while he ineffectually spun his tires. It's often not just the car, but also the driver...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oiluj View Post
    I do remember years ago watching a late 70's Chevy SS driven by a teenager take on a good driver in a Lotus. The Lotus took off and left the SS in the dust while he ineffectually spun his tires. It's often not just the car, but also the driver...
    You're bringing back high school memories for me. My high school autoshop teacher had a great story about this. There was a kid with a 500 hp hot rod with a big blower and the teacher raced him across the parking lot (probably 75 feet from one building to the next) on FOOT. The kid spun the tires, teacher ran like hell and beat him. Traction counts.

    The other great one we had was Tom Nelson (of Nelson Racing Engines-used to sit right behind me in Auto I) taking on another kid in a burnout distance bet. Longest burnout wins. The other kid had way more hp than Tom, but tom showed up with a space saver spare tire on. Needless to say, he won the bet. 300 something feet before he let off.
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