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    Default Insight on an old 240z

    The city has come to own a (going off the door jamb plate) 2/72 HLS30-69776 I know there is a z registry but, other than that is there no real way of finding history of these cars? If not can anyone on here give me insight to the history of the car, maybe it is a long lost love for someone on here. I'm looking to buy it and would just like to know a bit more if anyone can help because I will have to fight to achieve a lost title as the previous owner never filed for one. And i'd hate to see this beautiful blue beauty be scrapped

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    Can the city get a title through the lien process? How did the city acquire it?

    You may need to check with your dmv as to the process in Ill.

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    I think police or DMV can run the vin.

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    Good luck, could be a great project. Don't seem too eager but make it known that you are interested.
    Cities usually just want to liquidate these kinds of things, set a price of what you think it is worth (and that means all of the stuff that it will take to get it road worthy, rust repairs and such, then double it).
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    A title search as suggested by "Blue" would be smart. You do not want to buy a stolen vehicle. I have heard of stolen cars being returned to their original owners after being restored.

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    The data Blue posted has a VIN error. Up until July 1972 (I think) the serial number was 5 digits, not 6. The six digit serial number began with HLS30-120000 I believe.
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    Good eye Chris. Also, on the first line they have omitted 6/70 to 12/70 builds or more likely, 5/70 was a misprint.

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    This doesn't surprise me. When I first began the process of restoring 26th, I spent a huge amount of time and money buying the parts I would need. (The whole scheme backfired on me when the economy took a dump in 2008) Back then, buying, say a correct windshield for a 1969 build, was no more of a problem than finding the correct Nissan part number and ordering it. What I found was a very (did I say very? Yes, I said very) confusing part to build date correlation and I think that is where some of the misinformation we see from a reputable vendor like Black Dragon comes from. The old part numbering system was apparently revised a number of times and the updates include missing build months and incorrect serial number ranges to name but two confusing gaffs.
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    From what I've been told the owner of the property did not even have a title for it or never filed for one, as much as I love the idea of owning two Z cars bought IMO dirt cheap it may be in best interest to stay away to prevent myself from getting screwed by buying the car then getting caught up in fees and time for a title that I may not get or have it come back as a stolen car. As much as I'd love to have it I don't think it would be a wise idea. I might see if I can just get some parts like the wheels off of it and then kind of just see what i can get off of it.

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    Although maybe i'm jumping to conclusions i'm just kind of scared from the stories that I've heard from people buying cars with no titles and then spending a lot of money or just having the car taken away because they did not have the title. I am completely willing to listen to your opinions and advice on this one. I own a 1978 280Z and I love the idea of owning a 240Z along with the 280Z.

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    Depending on the laws of your state and how vehicle titles work you may be able to get a bonded title for the car. My questions is, if the city "owns" it why can't you just buy it from them or is it an impounded car? There should be some way to buy it without fear of recourse from a previous owner or insurance company. In my opinion if you are not able to secure such legal security then just leave it be, there are plenty of 240z's out there and this just may not be the one for you.
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    Here in California I would first check with Department of Motor Vehicles. If the vehicle has not been registered in a long time, it will be out of their system and there will be no back registration fees required. Then it may be a process of holding a lien sale in order to get clear title. There are people that specialize in this-I just spoke with a guy that charges $195 to perform this process. He said it would take 30 days.

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    I just bought a z with no title from Indiana last march, PO had the local police run the vin, since car was originally from Ill I went online and was able to run a check online http://www.ilsos.gov/regstatus/, both came up clear.
    Jumped thru the paperwork hoops in Colorado and had the title in about 8 months. It wasn't a hard process, just took a bit

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    Would not let me look up the vin for the 240z but I can look up mine haha.

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    Bonded titles run around $100-$200 here... I would get a buddy to run the Vin (or License Plate if the car still has one on it-or a tag receipt in the car.)

    My Vert had been off the road for around 4 years but was previously registered here in my county, it had a title issue due to the death of its previous owner and his divorce from his wife just before( to relieve her from debt responsibility) took about six months to clear up, and left me with a surprise $800 bill at the tag office when I went to register it... Ask your questions to the people you will see to register and tag the car-and go back to them if you make it happen!
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    I bought my 240Z from Peoria this summer and haven't registered it in Iowa yet. Just for fun I ran the VIN at: http://www.ilsos.gov/regstatus/ and the title status came up! Of course I have the IL title and already knew it was clean. Nate, if this 240Z doesn't work out for you, I hope that you are able to locate one to buy in the future. I see you have a 280Z, so it's great to see more Z's in the Midwest! We pass right by Quincy on our way down to my wife's parents who live near Springfield, IL.

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    Yeah, it's a decent little town. A guy that works for the city stopped in at work today to get some parts for a city truck and we got to talking further. I asked if i was to buy this if the city can draw up a contract and make it a legal contract that states I own the car outright and if anything were to happen it would fall on the city and not me so I'm gonna be making my move to acquire this car.

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    The information you requested could not be processed at this time. Please contact the nearest Secretary of State Facility or call the toll free number. This is what shows up word for word when I just searched the VIN for this car using HLS30069776

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    In Idaho, when the state, city, or their agent sell an item that would normally require a title, it comes with paperwork that allows for it to be titled. If a vehicle is impounded by the city and taken to a lot by a tow truck, the tow company, after a specific time, can sell that vehicle with paperwork to get a clear title. I am betting that there isn't a city out there that has its own impound service. Any vehicle, abandoned, seized in a drug bust, what ever, was towed away by a company on the city's behalf. There is a paper trail. The city can't(ok shouldn't be able to) sell something that isn't theirs. I'm thinking you aren't asking the right people the right questions. What department now has the title? That is, when you give the 'city' money, who are you giving it too? I bet you can take a bill of sale and a statement of seizure or abandonment to the DMV and get a clear title. Also here, we can get a conditional title, used for old farm trucks, rat rods, abandoned cars, whatever, where we get a title, have to publish the information for a certain amount of days, and then if it isn't claimed in two years, it is a free and clear title. There is a way to get a title to this car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by z_ya View Post
    The information you requested could not be processed at this time. Please contact the nearest Secretary of State Facility or call the toll free number. This is what shows up word for word when I just searched the VIN for this car using HLS30069776
    forget the HSL30 that is the model number, use 069776 as the vin
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    Quote Originally Posted by bquiggle View Post
    forget the HSL30 that is the model number, use 069776 as the vin
    Nope, the HLS30 is requited to identify the string of numbers as a specific car, a strictly numberic vin is limited to to few availalbe combinations-that is why all of it is printed on the "Vin tag".
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    Quote Originally Posted by z_ya View Post
    The information you requested could not be processed at this time. Please contact the nearest Secretary of State Facility or call the toll free number. This is what shows up word for word when I just searched the VIN for this car using HLS30069776
    Use HLS30 69776 or try HLS30-69776

    Six Digit VIN's started in Aug of 72 with HLS30 100000

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    Have a wrecker service say it was abandoned, they picked it up and after 90 days no one claimed it then they get the title and sell the vehicle for storage fees. I've had one do it for me, paid him $100 to lie but it was a clean car. That's in Alabama though, probably a little smarter in Illinois.
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    There is no title, this is the posing problem haha. But i have yet to confirm what a city worker said to me and that is. The city will work a note out with me saying that I own the car outright and any problems that might happen will come back on the city and not me. As for a title there is not one that is what the problem is haha i thought i said that. But anyway no one owns the title to this car the person they took it from did not have one and the family member that was helping retrieve it ended up walking away.

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    And no matter how i enter that VIN nothing shows up.

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    Most VIN systems are set up only for 17 digit VINs. After all, cars did not exist before 1981.
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    Again.... I can look MY car up a 78 but not this one a 72. And an update. Acording to there legal department they can't even scrap the car or do anything without the title. They will keep me up to date as things go along, i guess they are trying something else cause they're tired of it taking up space.

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    You could always go down to the DMV yourself and request a title search, or get the applicable forms for the website listed below and do the same through the Springfield office.

    http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/de...icles/faq.html

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    The '72 I just bought didn't have a title. Seller said before 1974 a bill of sale is all you need. Going to Courthouse to get a tag tomorrow and I'll let you know what happens.
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    Sweet, glad to hear it man. All I know is city service called me and the head guy said that the legal department told him that. They can't even scrap the car without the title, they can't sell it or do anything with it without the title. That's all I know and that's coming from the people i'm trying to buy it from. So at least for now it's safe from getting scrapped.

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