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    I'll be there this year. It'll be interesting to have it back on the street just like old times. Anyone going? Perhaps we can start a caravan? I'll be driving from the Altadena / Pasadena area.

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    Got a few coming up from good ol San Diego via Escondido. Paid my fees yesterday. My plan is to go to Cars and Coffee on Saturday morning before going to the Garage Sale, then return again on Sunday for the show. My ride will not get any awards but still taking it up as a means of showing my support for bringing back the show to the street where it belongs.

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    I may be able to get down there on Sunday.

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    Man, does anyone else on this board even go? I am surprised.

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    I'll be there with two, but coming from San Diego

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montezuma View Post
    Got a few coming up from good ol San Diego via Escondido. Paid my fees yesterday. My plan is to go to Cars and Coffee on Saturday morning before going to the Garage Sale, then return again on Sunday for the show. My ride will not get any awards but still taking it up as a means of showing my support for bringing back the show to the street where it belongs.
    I will most likely be attending the C&C as well on Saturday
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    Getting pretty close to show time. Really looking forward to seeing all the cars this Sunday. Gotta make sure I have spare batteries for the camera.

    Will put a little touch-up on the yellow car front spoiler tonight and throw on some cleaner wax. Looks like the weather should be great! I'll be driving up the '70 and my daughter will take of the '71. Will caravan up there with Montezuma and maybe some other ZCSD folks. Hope to see a lot of you all there.

    These are the two I'm bringin'.
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    Looking forward to the ride, just got a vintage Recaro LX black leather for my car so I should be riding in comfort. My car is not up to the Motorman7 level; he has set the bar. I am going up both days; I love the garage sale, my plan for Saturday is: Cars and Coffee, Garage Sale then back to San Diego. I will have my boy Junior as my co-pilot. Junior is my youngest dog; my daughter who lives in Pomona is taking him off my hands so he can go visit a Senior home and give love to people, a therapy dog. I will have to stay in Orange County until noon when Junior is ready to go back home. I might not take the Z on Saturday, maybe drive a Miata or the ol Montero. Get back to San Diego and make last minute prep on the Z. I have an action packed weekend for sure.

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    Looking forward to returning to the original spot...Great memories revisited and new ones for sure. I'll be be the guy with the FRLDY Z plate....No, I do not own a right hand drive car. I've had thoughts of passing the open slot in the DMV records to someone that really deserves that vanity plate. Anyway, if anyone is in the Pasadena are hit me up! I would love to arrive in a small caravan.

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    You should pass it to me

    Was patching up the car with some protective clear bra tape I use for my track car last night and took a chunk of paint off the hood while adjusting the tape... pretty bummed... I just left the tape on for the show argh! 40 year old paint + clear bra = No no. I guess it's time for repaint!
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    Quote Originally Posted by spitz17 View Post
    You should pass it to me

    Was patching up the car with some protective clear bra tape I use for my track car last night and took a chunk of paint off the hood while adjusting the tape... pretty bummed... I just left the tape on for the show argh! 40 year old paint + clear bra = No no. I guess it's time for repaint!

    Tell ya what.....I am short on funds to get the processing going for new plates, but when I have the money I'll hit you up. Vanity plates cost more, and I need to keep my registration fees lower for next year. It should go to someone like you for sure

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    A lot of nice cars here at the show. Here are some of my faves
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    Great cars indeed, and a fun show once again......But, I do have one question:

    Did anyone see the car that won best 260Z stock? Ummm........I am not saying a word for the moment. Just shocked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndysPlit View Post
    Great cars indeed, and a fun show once again......But, I do have one question:

    Did anyone see the car that won best 260Z stock? Ummm........I am not saying a word for the moment. Just shocked.
    I'm guessing it didn't have a V-8 in it, so it must be stock

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    Hah!

    There were at least three other 260s that were stock....and presentable. I'll upload some pics tonight. I really hate to be the guy to say, "Why did that guy win?" But, after you see the pics maybe you'll understand. Trust me.

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    Yes, it is a very frustrating things at these events, so I try not to get too worked up about it (but I do anyway). Any event that is "people's choice" or in this case "peer's choice", will yield frustrating results. Nothing you can do about it but shake your head and be happy for the guy that won.
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    I went this year, in fact I went over and said hello to motorman7 (really nice guy) and mentioned that I'd send him a note... So here is my note to you.

    Great show, and extraordinary cars. I didn't stick around to see the winners, but I'm guessing that the guy with the dirty 260Z labeled "untouched and unrestored" won. He won 3 years ago when I entered. I concluded that I couldn't beat a car that wins just because it's never been touched. How can "anyone" compete with that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 260zCaliCar View Post
    I went this year, in fact I went over and said hello to motorman7 (really nice guy) and mentioned that I'd send him a note... So here is my note to you.

    Great show, and extraordinary cars. I didn't stick around to see the winners, but I'm guessing that the guy with the dirty 260Z labeled "untouched and unrestored" won. He won 3 years ago when I entered. I concluded that I couldn't beat a car that wins just because it's never been touched. How can "anyone" compete with that?

    Hi Mike,

    It was great to meet you at the show. Glad we got a chance to talk and enjoy the cars .

    That 260Z is Bob Heckendorf's car. I've been to a lot of shows with him and he's a very nice guy as well. I do harass him a little bit as he has the only "original and untouched" 260Z that I've seen that has round tops and off color block paint (wonder how that got out of the factory). Still, his car is beautiful and tough to beat, and I do not mind losing to him when we are in the same category.

    Anyway, will try and keep my mouth shut here.

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    I know that "original and untouched" 260Z. I swear the award went to another car. I am beginning to feel someone was playing a joke after the awards ceremony.

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    Great seeing you at the show and the other ZCCIV members! Felt like a reunion, since I haven't been out to Temecula since Fred's service. Boy, reading this thread just made me breath a sigh of relief. I enjoyed the shows, especially meeting and chatting with Z people, but the show part just lost it's luster after a while. As you know, I didn't miss it.

    I'm not sure if the "peer judging" didn't make it even worse this year. At least when it was people's choice, as long as the giving out of ballots was controlled (which they didn't) at least there was some dilution of voting blocks, but with peer voting, it just seems that the club with the most attendees could heavily concentrate the votes. Well anyway, I'm glad I don't have to worry about that now. If I was going to show a car again, it would only be at judged events and even then I think it would only be in shows within the brand or model, i.e., Mustang, Corvette, etc, so the judges knew the cars and what they were looking at.

    I've lost to Bob H as well at the Huntington Beach concours. Didn't mind it a bit. He and his wife are good people.

    Well, great seeing everyone again. Rich, please let me know if ZCCIV is having a show this year and when it is. thanks

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    OK, this car. This was a joke, right? I even saw the owner of this 260 accept his award. Not trying to be disrespectful. I just want somebody to confirm this was the winner for 260 stock......Yeah, I know....I sound nuts.

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    OK, this car. This was a joke, right? I even saw the owner of this 260 accept his award. Not trying to be disrespectful. I just want somebody to confirm this was the winner for 260 stock......Yeah, I know....I sound nuts.
    Could very well be the winner. With "Peer Choice", every owner got one vote, that's it. Theoretically if 20 owners all voted for themselves, you could have had 20 people tied for first. That would be cool I guess. Personally, I never vote and didn't vote in this show. That's not what I want to do at a car show. I want to relax, socialize and spectate, so that's what I did . Actually, I am surprised that I even placed, but glad to get the recognition.

    And the more I think about it, the happier I am that the 260Z above got first. Very cool for that owner.

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    This was a great show, I'll be back next year
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    Quote Originally Posted by motorman7 View Post
    Could very well be the winner. With "Peer Choice", every owner got one vote, that's it. Theoretically if 20 owners all voted for themselves, you could have had 20 people tied for first. That would be cool I guess. Personally, I never vote and didn't vote in this show. That's not what I want to do at a car show. I want to relax, socialize and spectate, so that's what I did . Actually, I am surprised that I even placed, but glad to get the recognition.

    And the more I think about it, the happier I am that the 260Z above got first. Very cool for that owner.

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    Ok Rich, If you had voted for me in the 240 class I would have won just like the 260 guy did. It is time for MSA to consider doing a 3 judge panels, plus the peer voting to come up with winners. We have to standardize the judgement of our cars, we need to have a "Bloomington Gold" type level grading of the cars. I could be "Orange Gold" or something like that. The owner could get a certificate from the panel that would be attached to the car and make it more valuable and bring out a larger group of high quality cars along with cars like mine and others. I think making a joke out voting or winning this show is not in the best interest of the hobby. Just my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motorman7 View Post
    Could very well be the winner. With "Peer Choice", every owner got one vote, that's it. Theoretically if 20 owners all voted for themselves, you could have had 20 people tied for first. That would be cool I guess. Personally, I never vote and didn't vote in this show. That's not what I want to do at a car show. I want to relax, socialize and spectate, so that's what I did . Actually, I am surprised that I even placed, but glad to get the recognition.

    And the more I think about it, the happier I am that the 260Z above got first. Very cool for that owner.





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    Hmmm...I hear ya. I'm certainly not in it to win myself, but I do vote for the fun of it.

    I found the choice for best 280 stock to be interesting, yet a pleasant surprise. It's the car I voted for. Now, with the 260 in question, I just don't know about that. If anything the "peer choice" really opens up the field and all bets are off essentially. I can only imagine what the other owners of the 260 stock class thought. Maybe every other contender won in previous years so it was time to award someone different? Still, I feel the results defy logic. In the end the show was still a blast!

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    I really like how they had the vendors all set up. And the products they were selling were great. Food was good and fairly priced. That part of the show was done very well. And best of all was all the talk and conversation...it's great talking cars.

    I was very interested in the Z's with the LS motors installed, and there were at least 4 at the show. After my roadster project I will be making one of those. The motor fits very well in there and looks great. That would make for a sweet daily driver. And of course I want AC on that as well

    My biggest beef with the car show is that the car types are scattered all along the block. It's like a big easter egg hunt to find cars in your category. I'm guessing cars closer to the center of the show did better, because that's where most people hung out. And you really have to look at the dash placard because stock and modified is pretty much based on what category the owner wants to put their car in. Motorsport does nothing to ensure that cars are in the correct category in spite of what they say on their website. They are too busy selling product to worry about adherence to car standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montezuma View Post
    Ok Rich, If you had voted for me in the 240 class I would have won just like the 260 guy did. It is time for MSA to consider doing a 3 judge panels, plus the peer voting to come up with winners. We have to standardize the judgement of our cars, we need to have a "Bloomington Gold" type level grading of the cars. I could be "Orange Gold" or something like that. The owner could get a certificate from the panel that would be attached to the car and make it more valuable and bring out a larger group of high quality cars along with cars like mine and others. I think making a joke out voting or winning this show is not in the best interest of the hobby. Just my opinion.

    I agree.
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    C'mon you guys. How many beat 260's do you see with a cb antenna strapped to the bumper anymore?
    I'm sorry I couldn't make the show-I had 2 communions and a birthday party (kind of like 2 turntables and a microphone, but not really) to attend. Unfortunately next year's will be coinciding with the Solvang roadster show, again, so I probably won't be making it then either.

    Thanks for posting the pics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlorber View Post
    C'mon you guys. How many beat 260's do you see with a cb antenna strapped to the bumper anymore?
    I'm sorry I couldn't make the show-I had 2 communions and a birthday party (kind of like 2 turntables and a microphone, but not really) to attend. Unfortunately next year's will be coinciding with the Solvang roadster show, again, so I probably won't be making it then either.

    Thanks for posting the pics.


    Lol......Yes, you don't see that everyday BUT, if these are the new standards for judging then I'm not sure what a nice "original and unrestored" Z is worth anymore. Not that the upkeep on my Z is for the show, but what about all the hard work and dedication on those that preserve their beloved vehicles? Those are the guys giving the Z a good name these days. I'm all about random and silly, but when it comes to a car show, c'mon fellas.

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    It was great to see the different setups and ingenuity on what others were doing, but as far as the trophies and votes go, I didn't see too much substance in it and it was a joke (not meant to devalue anyone who actually got trophies, couple of my close friends placed 2nd places). I wish they would be more serious about it though, based on workmanship and taste, which is tough nonetheless and is very subjective.

    Still, as Z enthusiasts though, we should be able to draw a line somewhere and distinguish between: beater cars for humor vs. dumping money on a project just to show off vs. a real, built car that other project builders can understand (these would get my vote.)

    Not that it matters but my vote went to the black modified 240z with SCCA sticker, I know that car actually gets driven (not just driven), like mine.

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    Not to bring this topic a "downer" .. but incase anyone didn't know .. but knew Steve McPheeters/President of the Central Valley Z Club?
    Steve was attended MSA over the weekend. His navy colored 350Z won 1st Place in the Stock Category. Steve passed away Tuesday (1 May) early morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inqui-Z-tor View Post
    Not to bring this topic a "downer" .. but incase anyone didn't know .. but knew Steve McPheeters/President of the Central Valley Z Club?
    Steve was attended MSA over the weekend. His navy colored 350Z won 1st Place in the Stock Category. Steve passed away Tuesday (1 May) early morning.
    That is so sad to hear; my prayers go out to his family, friends and fellow club members.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motorman7 View Post
    I was very interested in the Z's with the LS motors installed, and there were at least 4 at the show. After my roadster project I will be making one of those. The motor fits very well in there and looks great. That would make for a sweet daily driver. And of course I want AC on that as well
    I only saw three.....and one of them was mine. I guess I missed the fourth one some how. I feel I personally had the best looking LS engine setup of the 3 I saw, but I am biased.

    As for the 260z winner, that is Tony D's car. It is a peer vote of JUST 260z owners; 240z and 280z owners do not vote on 260z's. It is a joke amongst them all since there are only ever 8ish 260zs at the event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ktm View Post
    I only saw three.....and one of them was mine. I guess I missed the fourth one some how. I feel I personally had the best looking LS engine setup of the 3 I saw, but I am biased.

    As for the 260z winner, that is Tony D's car. It is a peer vote of JUST 260z owners; 240z and 280z owners do not vote on 260z's. It is a joke amongst them all since there are only ever 8ish 260zs at the event.
    Hi Bo,

    My favorite LS was the blue one near the end. Engine bay was done very well done.

    Thanks for giving us the info on the 260 stock.....glad the guys did that.

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    Thanks for confirming my suspicions on the 260. I'll try to have more of a sense of humor at the next show.

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    Rich,

    Thanks for the pictures of the blue LS1 S30; that is the one I did not see. I agree, his engine setup is cleaner than mine. I had the orange S30 with the black hood and LS1. I've been meaning to wrap my coil harness in snake skin much like the blue S30 and polish my covers.....just like the blue S30. Good to see that it looks as good as my minds eye says it will!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ktm View Post
    Rich,

    Thanks for the pictures of the blue LS1 S30; that is the one I did not see. I agree, his engine setup is cleaner than mine. I had the orange S30 with the black hood and LS1. I've been meaning to wrap my coil harness in snake skin much like the blue S30 and polish my covers.....just like the blue S30. Good to see that it looks as good as my minds eye says it will!
    Hi Bo,

    Yes, your engine bay does look great. That motor fits so well in there. Looks like it was designed for it. Very nice. Yes, after my roadster is finished, I will be makin' me an LS Z.

    Best regards,
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